Captain's Quarters Comments - Latest Comments in Bitter Enders

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quickjustice — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:59:02 -0000

Ellis Island gets taught as the gateway through which the ancestors of most Americans now in this country legally entered this country. The museum now on Ellis Island teaches that story.

The Russians immigrants in New York are overwhelmingly Republican, because they worship Ronald Reagan for engineering the fall of communism in their country. The vast majority of them are law-abiding.

So you've just slandered another ethnic group that's here legally, and is overwhelmingly Republican. Are you going for the record? LOL!

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Homer_Gomez — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:17:55 -0000

OK.
Let’s go back to last week at CPAC, where he had an opportunity to pander but did not. He said:
“I believe today, as I believed twenty-five years ago, in small government; fiscal discipline; low taxes; a strong defense, judges who enforce, and not make, our laws;”
In the same speech he said “All I ask of any American, conservative, moderate, independent, or enlightened Democrat, is to judge my record as a whole, and accept that I am not in the habit of making promises to my country that I do not intend to keep.”

Is there something else you’d like? If you cannot accept this commitment, made before an audience of national networks, you’re indirectly calling him a liar and far be it from ANYONE to “convince” you.

Before you even think "Gang of 14" please consider this: in my opinion the larger issue was "nuking" the organized use of filibuster. If the "nuclear option" had been deployed, can you imagine what 2006 would have brought in the legislative branch? Hint 1: Democrat majorities in the Senate and the House. Hint 2: taxpayer provided health care for families with incomes approaching $80K. Hint 3: self inflicted defeat and victory by radical Islam.

Now kindly answer my question from two days ago:
“will you live with McCain's flaws or (in Ed's words) 'four or eight years of statist policy that could take a generation to undo.' If you won't or can't answer that, please provide a third and equally credible scenario."

Regards,
hg

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TyCaptains — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:26:22 -0000

Yeppers WRT the downturn but the link from the WH is specific towards the notion of tax cuts paying for the loss in revenues. It simply wasn't.

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richard mcenroe — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:57:26 -0000

I don't believe McCain will support or fight for srict constructionist or conservative judges. Convince me,

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MikeyJ — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0000

What DC Gamer and others fail to realize is that I have compromised my principles to vote for Romney. I refuse to pervert my principles to vote for McCain.

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Christopher Balsz — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:22:22 -0000

We had an economic downturn, during which revenues will take a dip regardless of rates.

We can't tax enough to keep entitlements in the black.

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Christopher Balsz — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:18:52 -0000

Meant to say, Amnesty was smashed because 72% of the USA opposes it. If you want to argue that a majority of POLITICIANS want amnesty, no argument. But the country is not behind them.

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The Yell — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:16:17 -0000

"Perceived as extreme"...capitalism is perceived as extreme, if you listen to Pacifica radio.
You haven't shown that a majority of Americans hate our views, because you can't

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Samurai Grog — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:38:33 -0000

Not "a Hispanic".

Every Hispanic. Bar none. All of them.

And if you know anything at all about the racial makeup of the food service industry (50% Hispanic), you'd know that's a lot.

As for them being felonious lawbreakers... tell me, when's the last time you exceeded the speed limit on the interstate?

Which crime is more likely to result in actual harm to a living person?

American have a long and fine history of disregarding the law when it suits them. (Case in point B: Prohibition.) Why should we expect others to be different?

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jr565 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:09:16 -0000

If you have open borders then there is no need to assimilate. Also ,correct me if Im wrong but doesn't mccain kennedy include a guest worker program.

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jr565 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:05:07 -0000

or to put it another way, those advocating open borders are in fact engaged in romantisizing immigration in this country and not basing their arguments on facts but emotion not based on reality.
'That would describe you to a tee.

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jr565 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:01:47 -0000

so you're suggesting that Mccain is not sincere on enforcing the border. and we should vote for Mcain why again?

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jr565 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:57:49 -0000

So then by your standard, what''s truly wrong with immigration is not that those opposing it are racist, but that those who are advocating open borders are uninformed idiots.

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jr565 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:54:24 -0000

as I stated, my step father is a legal immigrant, who is not hispanic. So unlike hispanics here in the millions he had to go through a long drawn out process to get his papers.
And he works hard too, just to let you know. Notwithstanding the fact that he isn't Hispanic.

Maybe you should expand your horizons beyond simply hispanics when it comes to immigration. The fact that you haven't worked with anyone who is an immigrant other than hispanics doesn't' negate the fact that others are trying to also get into this country, are also hard working.

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Samurai Grog — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:41:40 -0000

No. It's simply that I've only met Hispanic immigrants. I can't talk about Lithuanian or Chinese or whatever immigrants, because I've never met any. If I worked with Chinese or Lithuanian immigrants in the kitchen, I could talk about them. But I haven't, so I'm not.

So, tell me, how many immigrants do you know? Or is this all just a theoretical debate for you?

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Spectator — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:26:12 -0000

Mal, your one anecdotal reference to a Hispanic who is a good worker is almost meaningless in this discussion. You seem to be saying that just because this one person is a good worker, we should amnesty all the Hispanic illegals who have come into this country by breaking its laws. (Most of them have also committed document fraud, a felony that American citizens would be prosecuted for, not to mention other crimes)

There are many millions of "good workers" all around the world who would just love to come to the U.S. and get a chance to work toward citizenship. The question is, "Which ones should we LEGALLY take in?"

I believe we should never reward illegality; it only begets more of it. And I would certainly like to see the rest of the world represented here. That way there would not be the problem with people who are speaking only Spanish. There would be so many languages, people would be competing to learn English, the native tongue of this country, more rapidly. And that's the way it used to be. And it worked perfectly.

The system is now broken and we should fix it the right way. And I don't believe that should start with saying, "What should we do with those that are here?". It should start with: "What are our needs? What kind of immigration policy should we have"? And my answer to that would never include amnesty.

(By the way, there are plenty of Hispanic-Americans who are fine citizens - Americans first, who want what is best for America, and who abhor the concept of illegal immigration - by anyone.)

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Homer_Gomez — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:49:43 -0000

Richard:

Touche', he's not a choir boy. But your "facts in evidence" do not make John McCain a liberal.

Please compare his policies to those of the Democrats about earmarks, entitlements reform, management of radical Islam, immigration reform (Europe has had a guest worker program for decades - it works), Iraq (if you pick a fight, do what it takes to win it), government spending, free trade, school choice, strong defense, smaller government. None of this is new ground but they sure as heck trump your "facts in evidence."

Answer me this: will you live with McCains' flaws or (in Ed's words) "four or eight years of statist policy that could take a generation to undo." If you won't or can't answer that, please provide a third and equally credible scenario.

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jr565 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:28:15 -0000

You don't respect non hispanic immigrants? You think they''re lazy or that it should be more difficult for them to come into the country because the hispanics are better workers?
Is that your position?

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jr565 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:26:29 -0000

My radical views? Open borders is a radical view. and you are a demagogue plain and simple.Peddle that somewhere else.
S/M was not a legislative triumph for Reagan. It was supposed to end the issue of illegal immigration, not expand on it.
Every country under the sun has borders and recognize those borders including mexico (which also is very strict about who comes into its country).And every country has an immigration policy.

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Bennett — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:27:54 -0000

Finally, someone who has at least half a decent point. Because to extend my theory about how our history is perceived and taught –that we are a nation of immigrants and that we celebrate that status—we have lost one essential ingredient to the absorption of immigrants which was critical in the past: assimilation. Now it is politically incorrect to demand that everyone speak English –when was the last time someone even mounted an “English Only” referendum drive—to learn our history and to become “Americanized.” It is now possible to live in this country, in your little enclave, and never learn anything about this country, to reject completely our history and to hold onto your old ways and your old grievances. See for example the recent effort by Armenian émigrés to force a Congressional reprimand of Turkey for the Armenian genocide back in the early 1900s (covered extensively here at CQ several months ago).

The problem in the end isn’t so much how many immigrants and where from or whether they are legal or illegal, the issue ultimately is what is expected of them and us once they are here. And of course the longer they stay illegal, the less likely they will ever become assimilated. This is also why guest worker programs are unworkable (see Germany on this issue).

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Bennett — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:16:58 -0000

You truly are dense.

All my posts have been about why no one in this country is in favor of your radical views. My theory is that it is because of our history, a nation of immigrants, and the way that history is taught, as a celebration of our immigrant past and the contributions of cultural and ethnic diversity and that attacks on that history, AS TAUGHT, are viewed as racist. Not that they ARE racist, not that the history IS correct as it is taught, but how it is all perceived.

You have absolutely nothing intelligent to say about that. You are incapable of explaining why the majority of Americans don’t favor your view or why mine is wrong. There is no point in continuing a discussion with you.

As to the great benefits of LEGAL immigration, see my post above in re collapse of communism, Brighton Beach, Russian Mafia.

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jharp — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:08:47 -0000

Hmmm. I am a liberal and thought I'd take the time to answer your quiz. Interesting.

1. I would prefer that Govt kept out of my business as much as possible, true?

Yes, including my bedroom and phone calls and e mail.

2. Would you like to keep more of your paycheck each week?

Yes.

3. Do you believe we need to prosecute crime and criminals effectively?

Yes.

4. Would you like our borders secure and jobs to be in the hands of Americans?

Yes

5. Do you dislike the "Pornification" of America, and it's children?

No sure what you mean here so I'll leave blank.

6. Do you want America to have a strong Defense?

Yes
7. Would you prefer a safe family structure for raising children?

Yes

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Samurai Grog — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:04:16 -0000

Because I know, have worked with, and respect Hispanic immigrants. I can personally testify to their work ethic.

I can tell you about the 18-year old kid who worked in my kitchen for 8 hours, changed uniforms, and did it again for the restaurants across the street.

I'm dying for you to explain how this is racism. From my experience, it's the hardcore conservatives who are willing to paint all the Hispanics as dirty drug-dealing welfare-sucking thieves.

I've met these people. And I can say from personal experience, it's just not so.

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Spectator — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:00:26 -0000

I echo what jr just said. And add the following: If our forefathers, those who first formulated immigration policy had said something like: "Let's have some immigration. Let's admit a huge group, overwhelmingly from one nation, who all speak the same foreign language and have a strong attachment to their native land. And knowing full well, by the way, that this group has a well funded, well organized ethnocentric organization already here, with bold political aims. That should just about insure these people will cling together as a group and not assimilate and become Americans."

This would have been early national suicide for the U.S.A. We would have never become the great melting pot, made up of many people from many lands, who assimilated and helped us became the great nation we are. I doubt we would have been able to fight World War II in this state; we would have been fighting each other like those in Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, which countries finally broke up into factions.

While they have learned from their experience, we haven't. We are slogging inexorably toward balkanization. The amnesty lovers like to call it multicultural. But it isn't multi anything. It's bi. Bicultural. Our country, if amnesty is granted to so many illegals and their chain migration relatives, will implode within four decades.

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jr565 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:53:03 -0000

The wall is being built. Slower than we'd like, but it is happening.