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Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

jerry — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:52:58 -0000

Teresa:

You continue to show the density of a liberal. I never said Bloomberg would win. I said he was potentially the Ross Perot of 2008. As I recall, all Perot did was make a loser candidate like Clinton into the President by syphoning off angry Dumbos away from Bush 41. Bloomberg would syphon disastified left leaning "independents away from Hillary and put the Northeast in play for McCain.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Bogey — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:14:28 -0000

read that right after Super Tue when it came out.

should be interesting.

but the markets are always aware of such things.

and the markets are telling you 75-25 right now.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

E1701 — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:10:56 -0000

I do find it interesting how you've leaped from "hating Bush for his policies is okay, but it's a sign of dementia to hate Clinton" to "Clinton didn't do anything that bad", to "But John McCain says"... without actually addressing anything. C'mon, I know you can see that this staggered batch of strawmen isn't actually responding to the argument.

The fact is, Clinton did the same thing Bush did that has your dander up - only Clinton aimed at a pathetically outmatched target that nothing at all to do with any American interests in order to distract attention from his perjury and obstruction of justice. And when he did, he did it so halfheartedly that the end result was wasted time, money, and lives (Serbian... our troops didn't go in, so our intel was satellite only, which is how we bombed the Chinese embassy), which accomplished nothing, except that we're still tied up there. From my point of view, that makes what Clinton did rather the worse - the job of the president as command in chief is to determine where to use the military to advance US interests, and the job of the military is to carry out those objectives. Bush picked a goal, provided a basic framework, and let the military get to it. Clinton had no goal in mind beyond personal political advantage, and micromanaged to an absurd level... we didn't have major casualties because Clinton hamstrung the military.

The crucial difference of the aftermath here is that nothing of substance was accomplished in Kosovo. As I said, that fight has been waged for the past 500 years - only the Soviet Union kept it in check, and only because they shot anyone who tried playing those games. We could stay there another 500 years as we are now, and still not resolve a damn thing.

Iraq is more akin to the Philippines around 1901 - badly unstable, ridden with a declining insurgency, rife with religious and cultural rifts, unused to democratic values, etc. But there's potential there, and a lot of practical value to US national interests if we succeed. And if that means we secure permanent bases there ala Ramstein and Iwo Jima, then that's what we do.

I am at least you aren't among those well-intentioned by agonizingly short-sighted liberals who want us to withdraw from Iraq so we can invade Darfur, as though Iraq would not quickly collapse into a bloody anarchy and as though "solving" the Darfur situation would not involve casualties or yet another nation-building exercise.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Xango Annie — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:18:09 -0000

Teresa..
Tell your DH that all the bile that keeps rising in his throat is going to play hell with his esophagus. ...it's awful....

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Brad Bettin — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:48:11 -0000

Thanks for your honesty, Teresa - - - - self-justification at it's finest. What you list is, of course, only a series of hostile opinions you happen to hold to justify your hatred, but whatever floats your boat ....

And, no, I won't be coming up with "similar arguments" re: the Clintons. I don't hate them; they've never been worth the effort.

They're spectacularly wrong on policy & extraordinarily self-righteous ... but that seems to go with the party affiliation.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Del_Dolemonte — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:28:30 -0000

So far, the only political casualty of Hurricane Katrina has been Democrat Louisiana Governor MeeMaw Blanco.

New Orleans Mayor Ray "Schoolbus" Nagin won re-election, but that was only because his alternative, another Democrat, was even worse.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

pianoman — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:01:42 -0000

I normally just read the comments here and don't reply, but this last comment is pure ignorance. Perot DID run in 1996, and got 8.4% of the vote. Clinton probably would have won even had Perot not run, but to claim that Perot wasn't there at all is just stupidity.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Mike M. — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:51:09 -0000

Listening to Queen Hillary down there pretending that she loves Texas is just a scream! She has as much of a chance of beating John McCain in Texas in the general election as my dog has of sprouting wings and flying away, or of Senator Robert Byrd casting his superdelegate vote for a black man.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Teresa — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:24:44 -0000

I lived in Texas for six years and always heard "all hat"

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Teresa — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:22:49 -0000

I don't have time to go back and look at Carter and LBJ,
but here is Clinton:

Appointing the most diverse Cabinet and Administration in history. Members of the Clinton Cabinet include two African Americans. Fourteen percent of all Administration appointees are African American. More African Americans (45) serve in the White House now than at any time in history. The President has nominated 42 African Americans to the federal bench -- over 18 percent of his total federal bench nominations. http://www.4president.org/i...

By the way, rumour has it that Colin Powell is going to endorse Obama

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Del_Dolemonte — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:10:31 -0000

Tell us again how many African Americans the last 3 Democrat Presidents had in their cabinets.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Del_Dolemonte — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:07:05 -0000

Harry performed at John F. Kennedy's inauguration, and has been the recipient of many honors and awards. He's much better-known to the public than Ms. Coulter.

And when Harry says it to a national TV audience, people notice:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/...

Here's how a fawning Larry King introduced Harry:

"KING: First, for openers, we thank Harry Belafonte for giving us this time exclusively. Second, to also inform you that I've known Harry Belafonte for over 40 years. I've also known Colin Powell for well over 12 years, consider both friends. Harry Belafonte needs no defender. His work in activism in well noted, but I will tell you that I was with him in Miami Beach when he became the first black to stay at a Miami Beach hotel.

He was a close friend of Martin Luther King, worked as a humanitarian, won numerous prizes, including a Nelson Mandela Courage Award. He has -- he brought together performers like Michael Jackson and Bruce Springsteen, was responsible for "We are the World." His work with troubled youth, President Kennedy named him a cultural adviser to the Peace Corps. The list could go on and on. "

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Teresa — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:58:31 -0000

Here you go Del:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/...

Thank YOU for playing!

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Teresa — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:51:36 -0000

Wow.... Harry Belafonte and some local radio host in Wisconsin. Truly representative of the entire Democratic party.

Why don't I just go over to Free Republic and click and past a few comments from there over here and smear the entire GOP for them?

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Teresa — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:49:20 -0000

No Americans killed is not my idea of success (although it is a good thing), but it seems to be McCain's. After all he explicitly stated that the only reason people are upset about the US being in Iraq is because soldiers are being killed. He said that if it were like Korea or Germany, no one would care if we were there. (I actually think he is right about that -- that most Americans would not care in the slightest if we weren't wasting so much treasure and losing so many lives.

I don't think we should interfer in Darfur beyond putting pressure on the various parties. I think our presence would not be in our best interest at this time and that the Chinese should take a larger role in quelling the violence there.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Del_Dolemonte — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:48:06 -0000

"Who every called Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice "Uncle Toms, race-traitors, and "house n***ers" ? Please name some names? And not just some random crazy
on the internet."

OK, let's see...first of all, there was a radio host in the university town of Madison Wisconsin, who called Condi Rice "Aunt Jemima"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...

Well-known singer and political activist Harry Belafonte is also guilty, as runawayyyy below notes:

http://dir.salon.com/story/...

Left wing syndicated cartoonist Ted Rall referred to Condaleeza Rice as a ‘House Ni**a. His work is regularly featured in the Washington Post and he's also picked up by Google and Yahoo News.

http://www.intellectualcons...

Clarence Thomas has also been called an Uncle Tom:

http://www.time.com/time/ma...

By the way, the very first African-American to be elected to the United States Senate was a Republican, Edward Brooke, in 1966. From the blue state of Massachusetts, no less.

Brooke would remain the only African American elected to the Senate until almost 30 years later, when Democrat Carol Moseley Braun was elected to the Senate.

The first Democrat African American elected Governor of a state didn't happen until 1989, and he just barely beat his Republican opponent. A Republican African American had previously served as Governor of Louisiana in the 1870s, but he ascended to the post as Lt. Governor when the Governor was impeached and so was not elected. The only other African American Democrat to be elected Governor just happened recently, in Massachusetts.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

newton — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:35:14 -0000

Michael Barone has a different theory as to which delegates could put Hillary over the top. Are you seated?

Delegates from... drum roll please... Puerto Rico.

(?!??!?!?!?!?)

P.S. I'm already frying the bacalaitos and chilling the coconut sodas as I type! ;-)

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Del_Dolemonte — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:26:40 -0000

LOL. You didn't answer my questions either! Thanks for playing.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

texzen — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:17:06 -0000

What an joke this woman is. Any Texan knows the phrase is "Big hat and no cattle".

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

E1701 — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:50:33 -0000

A red herring and strawman argument in one package... how efficient of you.

First off, I'm "whining" about Kosovo because it was ten times the sort of "invasion on false premises" that Iraq was, in your estimation. It was a civil war, where neither side had any moral high ground over the other (they've been killing each other there since 1453 with equal brutality), it wasn't threatening to spread, it was a purely European issue that the nascent EU had no interest in fixing themselves (and failed when they tried under UN auspices), and paramount, had zero impact on the national interests of the US. It was also carried out poorly (from the political side, primarily) when Clinton did finally decide to intervene, and the reason US casualties were so low had more to do with his "peace through high-level bombing" strategy than anything else. And since then, our intervention has done little but keep the lid on a pot that's been simmering for more than 500 years. Bravo.

If "no Americans killed" is your criteria of success, I have to wonder about the liberal plan to rescue the inhabitants of Darfur, as so many have been demanding - orbital kinetic strikes, perhaps?

And occupying a country for a century? Wouldn't be the first time - the bulk of American overseas troops who aren't in Iraq are stationed in Germany and Japan, which we've been "occupying" for the past sixty years.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Teresa — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:30:29 -0000

Actual Democratic partisans like Ezra Klein are disappointed that Obama
doesn't seem to be all that progressive in his politics:

"Whatever your opinion on mandates, Obama went in a timid direction on health care, avoiding mandates, single payer, automatic enrollment, and every other step that could be considered risky. He's ended up using his extraordinary eloquence to defend timidity and caution, not sell hard steps. The same goes for taxes, where Obama's plan is just a broad-based middle class cut, and Iraq, where he's gestured towards progressive opinions but not actually picked many fights (the negotiations fight, remember, was started by Hillary). This is not to say his plans are bad, or totally bereft of innovative elements (carbon auctions are important, as is government transparency, and he's got a great technology plan), but for all his talk of telling people the hard truths, he's largely protected them from both hard truths and unfamiliar policies." http://www.prospect.org/csn...

Do you really think Bloomberg will win if Obama is the nominee? I don't.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Teresa — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:25:09 -0000

How about you get back to me in a year.
When we have a Dem president with
Dem controll of congress and tell me
what significant legislation gets passed buy ANY Republican.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Teresa — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:23:55 -0000

No. Please link.

Besides, who cares what the Bananna Boat song singer thinks? He isn ot an elected official or spokesperson for the DNC. That would be like me saying that
everybody in the GOP thinks whatever Ann Coulter says.

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

runawayyyy — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:38:21 -0000

Harry Belefonte. Did that jog your memory?

Re: Clinton Ignores Losses, Gets Booed

Yashmak — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:35:31 -0000

She broke her word to her own party on Michigan and Florida, the moment it became inconvenient to keep that word.

I don't trust her for a single moment.