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Did The Ronulans Disappear Overnight?

Started by captained · 1 year ago

A funny thing happened on my way to the predictable onslaught of Ron Paul supporters in my comments section after yesterday's post about his newsletters. The onslaught never arrived -- and neither did the supposed Revolution from New Hampshire. Could the two be related?

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  • section9

    1 year ago

    I think the Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy finally caught up with Ron.

    Won't see him no more.

    You know, the problem with the Libertarian Movement, and I say this with all due respect to the great folks over at Reason magazine, is that when you scratch many libertarians, you end up finding that lifetime subscription to The Stormfront.

    Paul apparently catered to this in his younger days, and so many Republicans felt betrayed by Bush's "big government conservatism" that they were willing to overlook Paul's apparent looniness, Jew-baiting, and Totenkopfverbande hijinks.

    Now what to do with all that money? So many members of the Idaho Sturmbrigade, so little time...
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  • jr565

    1 year ago

    Except he didn't just appeal to righties but to many lefties too. Out on the extreme fringes the left wing wackos and right wign wackos are not really that different. Paul had a bit that would appeal to the lefties and to the righties, so in that regard he made a perfect centrist wacko candidate.
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  • nichevo

    1 year ago

    Won't see Paulie no more? Sounds like the Worldwide Italian Conspiracy...

    <quote>
    In a few minutes they were all gathered in the office. Sonny said curtly to Clemenza, “You take care of him?”
    Clemenza nodded. “You won’t see him anymore.”
    With a slight electric shock, Michael realized they were talking about Paulie Gatto and that little Paulie was dead, murdered by that jolly wedding dancer, Clemenza.

    --The Godfather
    </quote>

    But then a wop is probably no better than a sheeny to Paulie. Still he shoulda never ratted out the Don...
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  • Mwalimu_Daudi

    1 year ago

    Even in Iowa, where he ran only against Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson -- and where his libertarianism should have won significant traction -- his campaigning left him without a single delegate to the convention.

    I think you mean Wyoming. But you are right - Paul should be doing far better than he is, given all of the publicity and cash that he has.
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  • Andrew X

    1 year ago

    This is just what i would expect from another neo-con media shill like CQ. Ron Paul offered the country the ONLY WAY OUT of the horrors created by it's Zionist controlled government, and a restoration of constitutional liberty! And now he has beed DESTROYED BY THOSE VERY SAME FORCES!!

    WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE AS A RESULT!!!!!!!!

    //

    There, feel better? Yeah, I'm gonna miss them too. :-(

    Oh, and the blimp too.
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  • captained

    1 year ago

    Yeah, the blimp was cool. Can Thompson afford to rent it?
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  • REN

    1 year ago

    "DESTROYED BY THOSE VERY SAME FORCES!"

    "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE AS A RESULT!!!!!!!!"

    What a joke! Go back to listening to "Rage Against the Machine" and listening to Alex Jones.
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  • TSUGambler

    1 year ago

    I'm an American who cares about freedom, and I support.... oh, nevermind.
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  • Joe

    1 year ago

    Daily Kos e-bots have moved on to other issues.
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  • Christoph

    1 year ago

    That's awesome.
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  • Jim Treacher

    1 year ago

    Well, those people can only Paullute so many blogs at once...
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  • RFA

    1 year ago

    "The comment sections will never be the same"

    Only because you've said it all and no other comment would add much.

    Smirk!
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  • publiusendures

    1 year ago

    In all fairness- he did get 2 delegates out of Iowa. But he should have done at least as well in NH, which is as libertarian a state as they come. The article pretty much put an end to a good chunk of that, though.
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  • John Hutchison

    1 year ago

    "But he should have done at least as well in NH, which is as libertarian a state as they come."

    That used to be the case, and until yesterday, I thought it still was, but any state that prefers a neosocialist and a big-government conservative who sought to remove your right to speak freely about political matters should have an injunction issued against it keeping it from using the slogan "Live Free Or Die" until it comes to it's senses.
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  • A Progressive for RP

    1 year ago

    Ron Paul hasn't had time to spend that money and gain name recognition. Remember, he started from waaaaaaay back.
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  • Educated Worker

    1 year ago

    Check out the fact Sutton reported receiving 31 votes for Paul which they reported as 0. This came out after families who voted for Paul saw that their town was reporting 0 for Paul. Regardless of whether you support Ron Paul or not this throws the entire primary of New Hampshire into doubt. It is also a scary thing when considering future primaries.
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  • carol H

    1 year ago

    Yeah right. The Paulestinians think lots of ads and constant spamming and corruption of poills will persuade the rest of us to support him. It is so impressive that he was unaware
    of the content of his newsletter all those years.
    Based on what the local Ronulans here in Butterfly ballot/hanging chad central have told me, they are now Ron Paul Republicans but voted for Gore and Kerry in the past, hate the evil,stupid Bushchimphitler and adore Bobby Wexler. They have this chip on their shoulder and like to talk down to you and their righteous anger is quite evident. I suppose the lunatic
    attracts the lunatic fringe. Since Hillary is a neocon in their eyes, I guess they pray for a Paul 3rd party run or else will sit it out. Obambi would seem to be an option, but then he is half black.
    Perhaps some admirers of the Paul cult will share their own past affiliations. When I was a young lad, I was a big supporter of George Wallace. I managed to infuriate my black coworkers by putting wallace bumper stickers on their cars. Hopefully the paulbots might grow out of their own abyss of ignorance.
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  • Jeff

    1 year ago

    Abyss of ignorace? From someone who admits to voting George Wallace? If i'm being judged by someone of your caliber I'll take that as a compliment.
    My past affiliations: I 've never voted for a major party candidate. I've always voted green or libertarian depending on whether it is a state or national election.
    At least I've never sold my soul. That's what happens when you pull the handle for any of the puppets spoon fed to us by OSM . We care not if you get your laughs in. We will laugh at you as you turn into a shill for idiocracy.
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  • Jan

    1 year ago

    There is an awful lot of criticism coming from someone who cant even spell. Sounds like your the one living in an abyss of ingnorance. Lunatics are the ones who trust the government to rule every aspect of our lives while they cater to big business, pharmaceutical & insurance company's and special interest groups. Wake Up!
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  • LadyLogician

    1 year ago

    I can't quite crow about it though Cap....I felt sorry for the RonBots because he was playing with their idealism. They wanted to see him as being different when he is what they dispise most - an entrenched DC lifer.

    His followers had a zeal that a smart candidate (or party) needs to figure out how to capture! However, I fear that they will just fade into the woodwork, disillusioned with politics for a long. long time.

    LL
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  • Christoph

    1 year ago

    No, no, no! Once again, you are WRONG. I want to like you because of your nickname and the juxtaposition of lady and logic. I really do.

    I only see the former, not the latter.

    His followers had a zeal that a smart candidate (or party) needs to figure out how to capture!


    The G.O.P. doesn't need that kind of radical zeal. It was personality cult-like and not based on reason and certainly not on decency. You don't need voters who will follow an anti-Semite white supremacist demagogic bastard to the gates of Hades... you need thinkers and people of decency to weigh the candidates and fight their hearts out for the right one for the right reasons.

    Ron Paul's supporters were more like internet brown shirts.
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  • mark

    1 year ago

    No no and no. My parents, and at least 4 of my friends were Ron Paul supporters. They weren't rabid OMG Ron Paul is god, they were like, Finally A candidate who wants smaller government. (Disclaimer, a number of my friends are Libertarian so I could have a biased viewpoint) Remember, on the internet, a person can had a vastly augmented footprint. and I think the small subset of nuts for Ron Paul took advantage of that to push him and his Candidacy.

    Give me a FiCon SoLib and I'll jump all over him or her as well.
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  • Christoph

    1 year ago

    I'm not talking about them, Mark. I'm talking about the rabid nuts Ed is referring to above and I'm saying that kind of blind zeal isn't helpful.
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  • Jeff

    1 year ago

    Yet you still offend the rest of us. Look I know if feels good to lable yourself superior to someone else. I'm sorry that you have to go on chatlogs and talk trash about people you claim are kooks (way to pick out well matched opponents). If the GOP continues to elect big spending LIBERALS like bush and his son; then it needs to go the way of the dinosaur.
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  • Jan

    1 year ago

    Obviously you speak from ignorance, an entrenched DC lifer, is the opposite of what RP is. If you had any actual knowlege of the candidates you would know this already. Keep feeding into what your told to think though, ignorance is bliss and it must work for you.
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  • NoDonkey

    1 year ago

    I'm sure there's a good explanation for why these lunatic rantings were in Dr. Paul's newsletters.

    Oh yes, here it is - Dr. Paul is a lunatic. Lunatics, attract other lunatics.

    Sometimes the truth is so simple (as are "truthers").
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  • jr565

    1 year ago

    What's so funny is that it was plainly obvious that this person was a crazy fringe guy of the Lydon Larouche variety, and I didn't have to see his newsletter to know this.
    How did people who are semi serious like Andrew Sullivan or John Derbyshire get suckered into supporting this cretin?
    Actually, Andrew Sullivan is himself a fringe dweller, so that makes sense.
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  • NoDonkey

    1 year ago

    The moment I saw that he was associated with the truthers and the white supremacist goons, I knew he was dead in the water as far as a candidate. He's a non-starter in my book.

    Then I saw him on TV. Not only does he sound like a nut, he looks like one too. That's not a winning combo.
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  • UncleAl

    1 year ago

    I heard about his pandering to the truthers first. At that point, I knew he wouldn't get anywhere.
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  • A Progressive for RP

    1 year ago

    You must've been watching Faux News...

    Do your homework folks.
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  • Jeff

    1 year ago

    These people don't need to do their homework. They know how Ron Paul "looks". That's all that matters, right?
    Who cares, I suspected that most people were idiots before i even started this campaign just judging from how many people vote R & D. We get it people, go pull the lever for some idiot now.
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  • chrislowe

    1 year ago

    There's no such thing as a progressive for Ron Paul. If you're for Ron Paul, you're for a literal and self-proclaimed reactionary.

    On thing that's fascinating about the New Republic revelations is the different light that they put on Paul's hostility to the 14th Amendment.
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  • Richard Romano

    1 year ago

    Goodbye Paulistinians -- please, don't ever come back!
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  • A Progressive for RP

    1 year ago

    We haven't left the building.
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  • hawkbill

    1 year ago

    Still here.
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  • garvin

    1 year ago

    We aren't going any where pal, sorry! Vote Ron Paul!
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    Your man is a LOSER. The people confirm it.

    Go home. Or better yet, don't forget your Nikes and your applesauce...
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  • ern

    1 year ago

    There were a number of Ronulans over at Pajamas Media, commenting on the piece there. Actually, it looked like the same four or five people posting over and over again under different names. So some are still out there. But they seem to have dispersed, for the moment.
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  • mhw

    1 year ago

    Don't despair. Someday another bigot will try to sneak into libertarian or green clothing.

    And in the meantime there are folks like Kucinich to entertain us.
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  • MSimon

    1 year ago

    I have been noticing that for about a month.

    I used to get rabid responses. About a month ago - nothing.
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  • Spree

    1 year ago

    I noticed the same thing. I was cringing at the thought of opening my comments this morning, and nothing, zip, zilch....nada.

    Kinda creepy isn't it? The feeling I get when I read those stories of whole civilizations just up and disappearing......a weird feeling.
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  • navyspyII

    1 year ago

    dEVOLution!

    Heh.
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  • nichevo

    1 year ago

    I had earlier meant to correct people's spelling of the Ron Paul rEVILution, but now I can live with DEVILution much better.
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  • A Progressive for RP

    1 year ago

    It isn't over yet folks.... it is far from over!
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  • James Joyner

    1 year ago

    Hmm. I got quite a bit on my post on the topic, although I'm spamming the ones that are obvious cut-and-pastes and attacks on the host, so relatively few are showing up. Still, not nearly as many as usual on the Ron Paul posts.
    James Joyner
    OTB
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  • Ralph PHelan

    1 year ago

    "I felt sorry for the RonBots because he was playing with their idealism."

    I don't. I'm glad they got a reality check. Idealists scare me.

    -Ralph Phelan
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  • unclesmrgol

    1 year ago

    They've gone back to the ronistary.
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  • Yashmak

    1 year ago

    They're not here, because all 6 of them (one more than there was 3 months ago) are busy posting under 20 pseudonyms each on the TNR site.

    I laughed when I read your post here, simply because it's a PERFECT description of their comments.
    "I'm a liberal, but I'm supporting RP. . .."
    "I'm Hispanic, and what you said about RP. . ."
    blah blah blah.

    HUNDREDS of comments there already.
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    That's the definition of "sockpuppetry"!
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  • UncleAl

    1 year ago

    I think you're exactly right.
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  • Kasper Hauser

    1 year ago

    I HOPE YOU AREN'T GETTING LONELY ED!!!
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  • Murph

    1 year ago

    Like most crackpot radical movements (and cockroaches) the Paulbots could only survive until someone turned on the light. Over the past week or so they have been raiding blogs and chasing Sean Hannity through parking lots ultimately making the case that most of them are stark raving morons.

    Now they can all crawl back on the little bus and ride back to the zoo. There they can spend countless hours picking lice out of their alien hairdos, drooling over fuzzy UFO pictures and smelling each others asses.

    Adios Paulbots – you won’t be missed.
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  • Mike O

    1 year ago

    I post on a mixed site (http://politicalinquirer.com) that has several of the reasonable Ron Paul supporters (yes, they exist; true libertarians and pretty rational), along with others. They are indeed disheartend by the results, knowing they've had their best shot. Don't expect any big money flowing his way again.

    When I posted there about the TNR story (suggesting Ron Paul needed to address the issue), I really expected an onslaught, but didn't get more than a dozen comments, a handful just agreeing he needed to address it.

    Hopefully, the Paulbots will not be much of a nuisence from no on; of course, we FredHeads are pretty stubborn :)
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  • Juan Schoch

    1 year ago

    Lame. Go watch some Aaron Russo "America from Freedom to Fascism" or go back to sleep.
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  • s35wf

    1 year ago

    The Revolution WILL Continue! It's NOT the man IT's The MESSAGE! There are many days till the General Election. Even If Ron Paul loses the Republican Nomination, there is still the possibility of running for President as third party. If he does not; then surely there is someone, somewhere, that has similiar morals, a similar message of Freedom, Prosperity, Somewhere out there their WILL BE SOMEONE who will step up to the plate as ron has done! The MESSAGE of NO Income Tax, NO "War on Drugs", NO Pre-emptive Illegal Unconstitutional Wars!

    Surely there WILL be someone Who WILL Continue the Good Doctor's Message and they WILL have the Ron Paul Revolution Supporters Behind them!

    www.ronpaulsacrossamerica.com
    VOTE Ron Paul 2008!

    PS. I am a single white female who has always been registered indepedant, voted democrat for gore & kerry in the last two elections. I am now registered as a Ron Paul Republican and will be voting in the republican primary elections for Dr. Ron Paul no matter what happens in other states.
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    Sockpuppet alert! Sockpuppet alert!

    Go back to your hole. He's finished. No one in his right mind would support that man.
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  • Robert S

    1 year ago

    Right on! He won't give us universal health care nor will he force our ideology over the border - what a total kook! My only regret is there isn’t a candidate who’d make the federal government bigger AND broaden our military ‘responsibilities’ around the globe. How great would that be? Cuz, ya know, we could use lots more of both... :\
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  • Otter

    1 year ago

    Exactly! US out of Darfur and ANY other place where people need help! Let China do it.
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  • Achillea

    1 year ago

    Ah, a Paultroon at last.

    I'm a single white female who's a registered Libertarian, hon, and I wouldn't vote for him if he was the only name on the ballot. He's just another conspiracy crackpot. His spouting the troofer nonsense was proof enough of that. Go out and do the clue mating dance, maybe you can catch one.
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  • independence

    1 year ago

    Troofer nonsense? Are you joking, or confused?
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    Go home, nutso. Paul is finished in this race! There's nothing any of you can do.

    I for one, will enjoy watching y'all going through addiction withdrawal! Heh!
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  • Robert

    1 year ago

    What's funny is I honestly want exactly that candidate. Yes, we definitely could use a larger federal government, and we certainly need to get on the ball internationally. We've been dropping it lately. It's time we flex our muscles again. You seem to be under the misapprehension that war is a bad thing. More likely, you also believe an American Empire would be a bad thing. And that just makes you naive and without any appreciation of history.
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  • Torqued

    1 year ago

    Won't be many muscle to flex, dont you get it WERE BROKE!

    Retards pffft.
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  • Yashmak

    1 year ago

    Heh, perfect example of the typical Ron Paul boilerplate message the Captain describes above.

    Gotta wonder how many other 'blogs this person posted the exact same message on today.
    Cut paste rinse repeat.

    Say no to crazy.
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    Well, well, well... What happened to the "Ron Paul Revolution"? Nobody came!

    Heh!
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  • Heather v

    1 year ago

    don't get too excited the revolution I'd far from over. As a Paul supporter I was hoping for higher, but it is clear that libertarianism of the Paul variety is gaining ground. I mean he only got less than 1 percent last time he ran and now he is getting 8-10. In ten years the population will hhopefully be more ready. This has been a great start. Ron Paul Revolution!
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  • Yashmak

    1 year ago

    Note: It's not a revolution if it results in no significant change. Going from 1% to 8-10% isn't enough to get elected, and won't result in any significant change.

    Some revolution.
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  • bryanD

    1 year ago

    It's obvious to me that Huck has siphoned a few percentage points of support at Paul's expense. The FAIR Tax/anti-IRS platform. Where's the mystery?

    I will vote for Paul, but anti-Paulites should support Huckebee if a GOP win is the goal.

    McCain will lose to any Dem in a squeaker and Romney the hedge fund operator will lose by a mile. To ignore the Mormonism factor countrywide is Total wishful thinking.

    So, yeah. Hopes for a miraculous Paul win are apparently out the window. 10% to 15% state-by-state is not. Maybe 25% in Nev, Oregon, Hawaii., Alaska...CA?

    So it's better than reruns! The south will produce some interesting data, too. A bird told me so.
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  • chrislowe

    1 year ago

    I live in Oregon and Paul is about as likely to get 25% here as Eugene V. Debs is.

    Unless everyone confuses him with the Portland restauranteur Ron Paul.
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  • Paul is nuts

    1 year ago

    Wow, I was genuinely shocked to read that Reason actually found a way to sort of condemn Ron Paul for his writings, though I see quite a few of them have fallen for the supremely lame "he didn't actually write them" defense. That magazine and the associated website have turned into virtual pamphleteers for the Paul campaign, issuing the most ridiculous apologies containing the most tortuous logic whenever something negative about Paul was revealed; the ridiculous attacks on Neal Cavuto for questioning Paul about the neo-nazi dontations are the perfect example.
    My only fear, now it is obvious he will not make a dent in the Republican primaries, is that Paul will declare himself an independent candidate and play the role of Ralph Nader, allowing for the election of a laughably underqualified Barack Obama.
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  • joated

    1 year ago

    I believe they were all out tracking/trailing Sean Hannity and/or Bill O'Reilly.
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  • WJBIII

    1 year ago

    "section9" said: "You know, the problem with the Libertarian Movement, and I say this with all due respect to the great folks over at Reason magazine, is that when you scratch many libertarians, you end up finding that lifetime subscription to The Stormfront."

    I'm curious. Just exactly how many libertarians have you actually ever scratched?
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  • okonkolo

    1 year ago

    I think they are regrouping in World of Warcraft.
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  • Robert

    1 year ago

    Hey, I play World of WarCraft and I'm a raging pro-government Imperialist. I'm actually be completely honest, that's the funny part. Social Liberal, Economic liberal, pro-government intervention, and bent on world conquest. Everyone in the world should share our freedoms....

    Whether they think they want to, or not.
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  • David_Rogers

    1 year ago

    I think the definitive defense of Dr. Paul was written by Stephen Green of Vodkapundit.

    http://vodkapundit.com/?p=9346

    Once you've read that, there really isn't anything left to say.
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  • Jim Treacher

    1 year ago

    Besides "I disagree."
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  • Yashmak

    1 year ago

    "Then again, I’ve always found Paul’s judgement to be suspect, on those few occasions where it wasn’t just plain old wrong."

    From the article you link. If that's the 'definitive defense of Dr. Paul', I'd hate to see a hit piece by Stephen Green.
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  • REN

    1 year ago

    You cross posted this to Reason.com as well? Spam?
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  • CaptDMO

    1 year ago

    I wonder how much all the impending mandated National Health payments are going to ease the
    interest payments on other folks cable ready TVs?

    I can only hope it works out better than income tax paid for the WW, Social security paid for retirement of "the workers", tobacco "settlements" paid for health issues, and carbon "offsets" neutralize global warming.

    Clearly, a new set of guidelines needs to be mandated "for the children", affording the least common denominator to pursue social sciences that can re-interpret the Constitution properly.
    But which of them, or their parents, are qualified to determine what an appropriate least common denominator is? Perhaps we can now rely on least significant digit math, Exponential errors are bound to cause problems for the- you know- majority.in the middle of the bell curve.
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  • Steve_o

    1 year ago

    "I am a Hispanic/Jewish/black voter who cares about freedom ..."
    Lately I have been seeing more of this style: "I have a degree in electrical engineering and I'm a physicist, and Ron Paul [blah blah blah]. These are written in a manner indicative of a 10th grade level education. I thought at first the Paul movement was a personality cult, but I was wrong, it has nothing to do with Paul. It is a movement based in anomie. Paul is the accidental anarchist.
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  • independent

    1 year ago

    Congrats, the most conservative constitutionalists in the Republican party are reeling in defeat, snubbed by the media and their fellow Republicans alike. Like clockwork, the moderate-right pundits have played into the New Deal paradigm, and bolstered the misconception that "state-rights (10th amendment)" is just a code-word for racism.

    Now, help me out here. Since Ron Paul isn't a good candidate for Republicans, should I vote for Gun-grabbing Romney, Tax-hike Mike, or McFeingold?
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  • Chris Furgerson

    1 year ago

    We "Ronulans" didn't disappear. We're still around. And most of us are not like anything you describe us as. A large portion of us were Reagan conservatives who have watched the Republican party disappear into something resembling Democrat lite. After the '94 revolution we actually thought things would be different in Washington. For awhile maybe they were. Then our "conservatives" couldn't keep their hands out of the pie, couldn't wait to EXPAND the government, couldn't wait to go to war on UN mandates. UN MANDATES used to be one of the things conservatives hated the most. But now, no different than the Demos. Only a very thin edge of degree separates them. Anyway, all that stuff is well documented. Thus, leaving us with only options to vote against someone instead of FOR someone, or not vote at all.

    I think most of us knew that Dr. Paul wouldn't get the nomination. We, in spite of the rants by YOUR people, are not stupid or kooks or bigots or brown shirts. Most of that shit in these comments is utter nonsense. The vitriol that continues to pore forth from YOUR reader’s keyboards is truly astounding. However, what is especially disappointing to me is that the message of much smaller federal government, personal liberty and freedom, sound money, lower taxes, and an end to continuous war seems to ring empty on so many ears, both voters and pundits. Especially on those who supposedly have conservative views who have seemed hell bent to blow Dr. Paul out of the campaign from the beginning. He may not be the perfect candidate - he recognizes his own short-comings - but his message is hardly different than what conservatism used to be. Now the message is bigger government, less freedom, keep the war going (100 years in Iraq, Mr. McCain?), money going to hell, etc. etc. Certainly encouraging words…not.
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  • Silly Old Mom

    1 year ago

    Maybe the Ronulans are silent because, when the news came out, they leafed through their vast archives of RP newsletters stashed in their basements and thought, "Uh oh..."
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  • Ray Robison

    1 year ago

    Actually, I noticed the same thing about a month ago. I dont get a lot of traffic on a daily basis but when I bashed Ron Paul, I could see a lot of google searches (probably automated) that lead them to my blog at which point the name calling would begin. However, I made a point of posting the comments and writing that this is why Ron Paul had so little support, and they stopped coming after that. They will hit you until the point of the your writing becomes to expose their brownshirts tactics. I guess they're not complete morons. but close though...

    Ray Robison is the author of Both In One Trench: Saddam's Secret Terror Documents'

    http://www.bothinonetrench.com
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  • Kentucky Packrat

    1 year ago

    I grew up Democrat, but I haven't ever voted for a Democrat for President. My first vote was for Bob Dole against Bill Clinton, solely on moral grounds. I voted independant versus Gore and W, but then voted for Bush versus Kerry because I thought the latter was a slimeball. In return, we almost got Harriett Miers. Government hasn't shrunk a bit, and we have a Federal Reserve and Congress Hell-bent on trashing the dollar and leaving us with a Social Security & Medicare bill that in 2040 will be bigger than the country's GDP. All of the good talk towards conservative Christians evaporated before W raised his hand the second time. And let's not even talk about No Child Left Behind.

    Now we have a "compassionate conservative" (Huckabee) telling us how to spend even more money. We have a serial adulterer (Rudy) who's more Democrat than Republican. To paraphrase JibJab, Romney has more waffles than a House of Pancakes. I'd like McCain if he hadn't supported the biggest infringement on the First Amendment since the Alien and Sedition Acts. I might be convinced for Thompson, if he wasn't a big supporter of McCain-Feingold the first time around (and if he acted like he really cared). Hunter might do, but he's got less support than Ron Paul.

    Why should I care about these Republicans at all? At least Clinton or Obama can sell out to me. This generation of Republicans have talked abortion and marriage, but have been too busy spending money and growing the Federal government to care. And please don't mention the Supreme Court. Let's play name association: Reagan, Kennedy. Bush 1: Souter. Bush 2: Miers. The Republican presidents don't have a good track record here.

    I'm done with "trust me". I want to see results. How will the Republicans handle the bankrupcy of Social Security and Medicare? How will the Republicans deal with a government that owes $58 Trillion in current and future liabilities? What are the Republicans going to do to reduce the Federal government? "I'm not Hillary Clinton" isn't good enough any more. I expect a Democrat to differ in degrees from HRC, not a Republican.

    Until this Republican crew can come up with someone other than Ron Paul who acts something like a real Reagan Republican, then we deserve HRC or Mr. Obama.
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  • datarat

    1 year ago

    Crud. I noticed about a week ago when I brought up some things that were bothering me. No Paulitical discussion whatsoever.
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  • MikeT

    1 year ago

    What remains to be seen is if the Huckabee campaign will follow the same path. If things do end up going to McCain and Romney, then that is a sign that the conservative "small government" movement is as dead as a political force as libertarianism is these days. The people want their government. I'm inclined to give it to them. In every aspect of their lives, from cradle to grave, since they don't have the good sense to choose limited government candidates.
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  • montjoie

    1 year ago

    They're all dressed in purple jammies and nikes, drinking kkol aid and waiting for the ship to appear from behind the asteroid.
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  • Ron J

    1 year ago

    Sometimes you feel like voting for a nut, sometimes you don't.
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  • J. Brenner

    1 year ago

    The Ronulans probably got lost and wandered back to the Lyndon Larouche tent from whence they came. I'm sure it will be a happy homecoming.
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  • Dave L

    1 year ago

    Have I just missed it, or have none of the other Presidential candidates made any comments about the Ron Paul affair? Strange.
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  • Ryan

    1 year ago

    Because their hands are too dirty.
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  • John

    1 year ago

    I don't particularly care much one way or another about Ron Paul but it is disingenuous to dismiss the libertarian perspective with the shortcomings of a single individual.

    The fact is that with every passing year, more and more voters become aware that there can and will be alternatives to the Democrat / Republican duopoly. Libertarianism is entering the mainstream and it will continue to draw disgruntled Republicans that are finally realizing that the Republican Party has never once done anything to restrict government spending or power.
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  • Robert S

    1 year ago

    Heh, 'clue mating dance.' Clever AND cute; I like that. Too bad it makes you and the others right in line with the Paulites who write "hundreds of comments, most of them refusing to deal with the substance of the criticism."

    Yeah, he's a bit of a kook, I'll certainly give you that. If he wasn't a pol we'd probably just call him eccentric. Whatever. It’s more then a little sad that the only presidential option we have who actually cares about our Constitution is considered a kook.

    So it looks like another 4 (at least) years of sending troops overseas to do good deeds de jour and more socialized income-redistributing bliss and more jailings of Americans who just ain’t smart enough to know what’s good for them and stop enjoying their drugs. Well, it sure beats having one of those Gwad Awfl Libertarians in office.
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  • Johnathan Reale

    1 year ago

    I never commented on Ron Paul's campaign on any blog before, but I certainly was a strong supporter of his candidacy. I imagine that other supporters like me are just saddened and disappointed by these revelations. We have lost the candidate we thought we were supporting, and now we really have nowhere else to turn. Also, the amount of gloating going on here is kinda hard to stomach, although from what I can gather about the behavior of some of his supporters, perhaps it's a bit deserved. As for me, I'm just sad. Like I said, I really have nowhere else to turn, no other candidate to support.
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  • Michael_Rittenhouse

    1 year ago

    By the looks of things, they've all gone over to Reddit posting claims that Diebold rigged the N.H. primary.

    Michael_Rittenhouse
    www.rittenhouse.mee.nu
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  • infidel_Alan

    1 year ago

    I'm laughing at the delicate little PCs who are so offended by by the relatively mild comments in Paul's newsletters. I grew up on the Mojave Desert in the 1950s and was a GI in the 1960s so I've been in the presence of genuine malignant racists, white and black, all too often. Evidently the jerk who wrote the TNR article believes that any criticism of any minority group is taboo, except, of course, for straight white males. Well, that's his problem. I'm going to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries and then hold my nose and vote for Giuliani or McCain in the general election.
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  • qrstuv

    1 year ago

    I don't know what's "mild" about saying that 95% of a certain group is probably criminal.
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  • Anal Hitler

    1 year ago

    That statement was made about blacks at a certain time and place, and is based (I don't say "backed") by statistics. The statement does not suggest that blacks are inherently criminal.
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  • mythusmage

    1 year ago

    A difference that makes no difference is?
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  • MoneyQ

    1 year ago

    It was refering to a NY Times article that was published about the same time which cited that 85% of african american males in Washington DC have been arrested at some point in their life. The number was increased by 10% to mock the DC criminal system.
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  • Tom deSabla

    1 year ago

    Yeah, I'm really crushed. It's all over now. We hate Paul. Go Rudy! Go surge! Government really can solve all our problems after all. All this currency talk is a lot of hooey anyway. Who cares about the value of the dollar? Rudy got 20,387 votes and Ron only got 18,276 - that's total domination. And Fred's 1 percent doesn't really count either, because he wasn't really trying.

    HAHAHAHA!

    I get the Wash Post and Wash Times every day, and there is a constant flow of front page news and pictures involving Huckabee, Romney, Rudy, Thompson, et al. All of this when there really wasn't any specific news to speak of. By contrast, when Paul set the all-time one-day fundraising record on Dec 16th - that actual news didn't make anyone's front page. Nor has there been any coverage of Gail Veira and the San Francisco republican alliance CANCELING their straw poll when it became obvious that Paul would win. If something like that had happened to any other candidate, it would have been front page news all over the country.

    In view of all this bias against him, I think that 10 percent in Iowa, (winning Jefferson County outright) and a near tie with Rudy in New Hampshire is just fine. We'll let you know when we're done, ok? In the meantime, think about your role in this obvious and evil bias, and see if you can conduct yourself with more respect for Ron Paul, his thousands of voting supporters, and the Constitution.

    We're still here, don't you worry, and we're watching and learning too, which brings up another point: I'll put the brains and courage of Paul's 18,276 voters against that of Rudy's 20,387 voters anyday. There may be a few less of us - for now - but we' are better informed and know what we're talking about, which is why the Paul campaign is having a much greater impact than anyone anticipated.

    Spambot number 01010010101001001out
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  • Yashmak

    1 year ago

    "By contrast, when Paul set the all-time one-day fundraising record on Dec 16th - that actual news didn't make anyone's front page."

    You don't see the front page reporting winners of Powerball or Superlotto either. Why not? Because it's meaningless, just like Paul's fundraising record. He could raise $50 billion, but if it's not going to make a measurable difference, it's not really news.
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  • Tom deSabla

    1 year ago

    The flaw in your reasoning is that it cannot be known in advance whether publishing some news item is going to "make a difference" or not. Setting a one-day fundraising record is
    news in its own right. News is news; it isn't and shouldn't be filtered through some kind of imaginary "future difference making matrix" to determine if it should be published.

    All we're really learning from this is that it's very difficult for Ron Paul's fundraising success to overcome mainstream media bias. And you're happy about this?
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  • Yashmak

    1 year ago

    Oh bull. If that were the case, every lottery winner would be front page news. Note that isn't the case. The news reports things that matter, not fundraising by a candidate that won't win enough delegates to get nominated, let alone enough votes to get elected.

    I have to say, it's interesting watching you guys try to rationalize all of this into some sort of obstacle you'll somehow overcome, when it's been obvious for quite some time that isn't the case.
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  • RWNERSHIP

    1 year ago

    Sorry, no one reads your horrendous articles kthx. Certainly not paulites that have more reputable sites and mainstream media sources that warrant bombardment. RWND.
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  • Iconoclast421

    1 year ago

    Ron Paul is just too right about too many things to ever be taken seriously. America has lived in denial for so long now that Ron Paul really does appear like a lunatic. If you are a Ron Paul supporter, and you cannot understand how people can be so blind.... the following mental exercise may help!

    Just imagine you are Britney Spears. Your whole life is a pop culture joke. You know nothing. You have no ability to tell lie from truth. You have no knowledger of history. You cant think back to the last election where the candidate said "I'm all about change" but then nothing happened.

    That is a descriptioon of the vast majority of americans. Sad but true. And then you have these people who actually gloat about this. Like this Ed Morrissey dude. lol I'm so glad my country is being destroyed, and I'm so glad that the only candidate who could have done something to ease the pain of our collapse... I'm just so glad that KOOK lost! YES he's a KOOK. Anyone who tells the truth is a kook. The value of our currency doesnt matter. The fact that we'll be in iraq even in the midst of an economic depression.... that doesnt matter anyway. NOTHING matters, except my ability to be a shill for the elite and the global plantation.
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  • Robert

    1 year ago

    Have any of you actually read Paul's statements and the circumstances surrounding this piece? Perhaps you should look into his voting record, maybe even check out a spech or two of him addressing the congress. You will not find a more integrity bound constitutional politician around. Indeed he is a precious living relic of the America The sociopathic "mainline" cronies you support will do nothing to support the constitution and the people. When you suffer the wrath of the agenda of the globalists (Yes the NWO is real no matter how many immature snickering comments you may have) You will wish you had paid a little more attention to this "nut" and his "lunatic" supporters.

    PS: Dont forget, the campaign is far from over and with more donations than any other republican candidate he is still viable, also not every state uses the Diebold electronic voting machines entirely yet :-)
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  • tim

    1 year ago

    What a strange group of angry people are writing here. Why are so many of your readers angry? Those of us who support Ron Paul are surprised and disappointed by Iowa and NH. It's that simple. We've worked hard to take an unknown candidate to one who is currently in 4th place with votes cast and who has the most money. We are taking a breather. Worry not, your life will soon be exciting again and your comments filled with fresh, healthy, and interesting insights.
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  • I_Magius

    1 year ago

    Someone once said that if everyone is thinking the same thing then someone isn't thinking.

    You all (the majority) think everything your candidates are making happen and want to happen is just peachy ... well, you're going to get the government you deserve. And then one day you or children wake up and realize your liberties are gone, you're none the safer and financially destitute -- then you'll see just how 'whacky' Ron Paul's ideas were.

    Goodbye.
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  • Tom

    1 year ago

    Ron will win!
    He always does.
    Tom Delay and Karl Rove refer to Ron as a Democrat.
    They are wrong.
    He is a Constitutionalist with Libertarian leanings.
    He is a strict fiscal Republican with liberal social values based on individual liberties.
    He would NEVER go against the people.
    He views this as his only true power.
    He knows we give him his power and we can take it away.
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  • mark

    1 year ago

    Quite simply, I think the 'internet tidal wave' of really annoying Ron Paul supporters never numbered more than a thousand. I think about a month ago, a lot of the really annoying people gave up supporting Ron Paul because he was going too main stream (go figure). Right now, Most of the Ron Paul supporters have come to the realization that:

    1) Despite the fact that Ron Paul is a good person and didn't write what was in the newsletters, that they went out under his banner is lethal to any realistic chance of gaining the presidency.

    2) Libertarians are likely to view Ron Paul as just as dangerous to their movement as helpful at this point due to the Poor showing Ron Paul has had so far.

    3) The Campaign has been very poorly run.

    4) The idea of Small government conservatism is dead dead for this current generation. The Democrats and Republicans both understand this and are happily going to expand government. The idea of Libertarianism is going to take a Generation just to try and win back the hearts and minds of people to get them away from Government as a first choice and instead the last choice, for a solution.

    I've supported Ron Paul. I still do support him, but I recognize and accept that most people cannot and will not be able to separate the political ideals expressed by the candidate and the taint of those news letters.

    Maybe the campaign can retool and rebuild, then explain how those newsletters were printed and what happened.

    are there any other anti war ficons running for president? :)
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  • Vortex

    1 year ago

    I hope you statists are happy. Ron Paul may be a racist, but he is still the best hope we have to restore the Dollar, cut needless spending, and to restore liberties lost.
    I suppose it was the sane people who spend $3 trillion/year, rang up a $9 trillion debt, and blindly spend on education and health care with less in return.
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  • Maria Forbes

    1 year ago

    The reason you have not heard from any of us....."Ron Paul supporters" - could be that we are exhausted! We are dealing with a huge system, that is completely out of control and so convoluted that it is totally infuriating! This system is so corrupt and manipulative, trying to keep up with the mis-information is sometimes too much to deal with. The subtle and pervasive destruction of our civil liberties is a very difficult task to undertake.........I wish you would help your fellow Americans in our struggle to keep the gifts we have been so lucky to be given! I am sorry if the truth is more incredible than the lies...but that seems to be the way it works. Try looking in to Sutton County, NH and tell me why the voters there did not get to see their votes accounted for in the vote tallies of that state, and then I will comment on the lunatic statements about Ron Paul somehow evolving into a kind and compassionate, thoughtful man full of integrity....from some sort of a "angry and insulting" monster of a past decade.
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  • Anthony

    1 year ago

    Ron Paul isn't a racist and anyone who says he is doesn't know who he is. It's sad that such smears are not investigated thoroughly and every second rate blogger in the country blindly jumps on the bandwagon. I suppose we should call you a "bloggerbot".
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  • Tim

    1 year ago

    What's new here? This is very old news.
    As a Ron Paul supporter I don't have time to re-hash past arguments which have disproven.
    Read this:
    http://vodkapundit.com/?p=9346
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  • mythusmage

    1 year ago

    Read it. Stephen had an attack of "rational people can't be like that" syndrome. Stephen forgot that not everybody is rational. Stephen also forgot that people, especially people like Ron Paul, act differently around strangers than they do around friends.

    You really should read what Mr. Green had to say. Stephen didn't agree with what people were saying about your man, because he couldn't see a rational man saying what Ron Paul said or allowed to be said under his name. His commenters are giving him a hard time about that. Read them as well.

    When you point someone to an essay make sure it actually says what you want it to say.
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  • Chris

    1 year ago

    The thing that you cynical know-it-alls don't want to admit is that Ron Paul is right. You know that he is a real conservative and the reason why he is considered crazy is because most Republicans aren't conservatives. People are starting to realize this and the fact that Democrats and Republicans are really one in the same.

    Paul garnered support not because of media hype or appealing populist speeches, but because of the message he was conveying. This may confound some of you because it's virtually unheard of in today's political structure, but I assure you it's the real deal and while Ron Paul himself may disappear, what he stands for won't.
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  • Erik

    1 year ago

    Um, no. We're still here and only fired up to fight harder. Dr. Paul has already addressed these, by blogosphere terms, ancient allegations. He's an honest and sincere man, and no matter how much his detractors fear and despise him, a truly anti-racist force for liberty in this country.

    If you want an all caps response, please read this:

    DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION!!! RON PAUL 2008!!!
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  • harleycon5

    1 year ago

    I recently told a friend, and vehement Ron Paul supporter, "Beware of false idols". He wondered what I meant by the comment and I was all too happy to tell him. Paul's support seems to draw from the bases of both the far right and far Left. His anti-war stance being the biggest draw among these groups. But what Ron Paul supporters fail to answer is that his view is simply unrealistic in a world filled with evil foes.

    Consider Paul's current views:

    1. Even though we seem to be currently winning in Iraq, he wants to pull out all troops immediately from the arena. What would be the effect of such a move? A resurgence of Al Qaeda, a push to take over the country by Iran via the Mahdi militia, and the capturing of that countries oil resources by these bad players. Expect a huge leap in oil prices to $120+/barrel oil, decreased value of the dollar, increased inflation, and a definite and probable lengthly recession. Should Iran move into Iraq do to the vacuum we left behind, we would have to retake the country by force, but would Paul do so? Any practical President would, of course.

    Paul does not see Iran as a threat, which seems foolish beyond belief. A country run by a "President" who wants to destroy Israel via nuclear annihilation should be taken seriously.
    But as we know, Paul has no love for Israel, even though the Holy land has an incredible significance to Christian belief. Could America stand by and abide by the destruction of Israel?
    I cannot see this happening, but I am not Ron Paul.

    Ron Paul does not see war as an option in ANY event. He has said that he does not think we should have entered WW2, although we turned the tide in that war, and can anyone dispute that we would probably be Nazi Germans right now if we had let Germany conquer the world unabated, with a probability that they would have probably been the first country to attain nuclear weapons had Germany been allowed to be unchallenged?

    Paul, and some of his supporters do not even believe we should have had the Civil war! Some have claimed that Lincoln was a "criminal" (sounds a lot like the Cindy Sheehan loons, don't you agree?) and that we all should have allowed the South to secede and be independent and have slaves.

    And you wonder why we mostly think that Ron Paul is more than a bit, well....loopy?
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  • Rayofhope

    1 year ago

    Yes he has alot of cash , but little publicity. Lets face it. Iowa is the corn growing state and lets face it, gets lots of subsidies, ethanol and corn and federal funds all roll along. Although he is discussed on the web, his name is barely mentioned inthe MSM. Even coming in 5th both in Iowa and New Hampshire, he was on the tail of Mccain in Iowa and just 1 1/ 2 percentage points behind Ghoulianni in NH. New Hampshire is a State which deserves little attention as the live free or die state considering that they are not even close to living free. This is yet another state which has an allegiance to the Federal war machine and who picked the biggest war monger of them all, even worse than Bush. This clown can't wait to bomb Iran and start WWIII. It's too bad that only about 10% of voting americans can see what's coming or that have the remotest clue of this nations financial situation. I have watched every debate from day one and have listened to all these candidates spew their trash. Everyone of them are quite dangerous and wish to have a national ID and more war except Paul. How could Americans even begin to believe that that could be a good thing? So Sad.. BTW I'm 50 white and soon to be extinct, lower middle class. I never received anything from the Federal government nor do I want anything from them, but to leave me, my family and other countries alone.
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    A man who receives money from racist cooks and does friendly chats with a 9/11 "truther" is not Presidential material. End of story.

    Go home, nutsos.
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  • A Progressive for RP

    1 year ago

    Sweet Jeebus... so Ron Paul is gone b/c of "his" racist screeds. Let's get down to the business of Racist, Sexist, Homophobe Mitt Romney....

    Or maybe you haven't done your research on the racist, sexist, homophobic Mormon Institution yet?

    I'm still with Ron Paul b/c he separates his religion from his politics. i.e. i'm against abortion BUT the federal government shouldn't be criminalizing it.
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  • James Moore

    1 year ago

    As if this non-story hasn't been beat to death enough already. Pretty much what us Paulites expected though, the smear machine is in full swing - facts, apologies & explanations be damned. Don't let facts get in the way of your bias, America, you might actually learn something.

    As Bugs Bunny said in Ali-Baba Bunny, "Oh Brother. Close sesame."
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  • captained

    1 year ago

    Yes, it's obviously a smear to point out all of the lunatic statements that appeared in his own newsletter from 1978 to 1995, for which Paul never provided a retraction or an apology, at least not until the Houston Chronicle caught up with him in 1996.

    Either he's a complete incompetent who didn't bother to read his own publication for seventeen years, he agreed with the despicable content that went into his newsletters, or he published it just to get money from racists, homophobes, and conspiracy theorists. Which of these qualifies him to be President?
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  • Jim

    1 year ago

    Wow.....you guys sound just like all of the people you are bashing. How hypocritical. Like someone said....lunatics(the author) attract other lunatics(the majority of the repliers).
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  • Matthew

    1 year ago

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
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  • Frank Treese

    1 year ago

    Reading this article then the subsequent comments it has suddenly occurred to me. Americans have not been screwed enough. Yes it is true! Apparently Americans still find it acceptable to continually have their rights revoked (in the name of national security of course), their precious dollar destroyed (not that it has ever been good for anything anyway) and their minds stolen by this filthy and carefully designed monster called television newspaper and radio. No I think we'll just have our selves another "9/11" or maybe a nice war with Iran that should guarantee everyone will stay in their place. Besides, our leaders would never lie to us, especially not at election time. I'm glad I'm an American. Where else can a populace be this ignorant?
    People, just because you read something somewhere or hear someone on TV tell you something, that doesn’t mean you’re getting the truth. I think Ron Paul should address this new issue but, at the same time you have to realize that it has been hard enough for Ron Paul to get air-time for his campaign. What makes you thing any network would give him time to respond to something like this? We all need to remember something, we are in America, the United States! We are all on the same side! No matter what you call yourself (Democrat, Republican or Libertarian) you (just like me) are still an American. I still can’t figure out how people can be this disconnected from each other. That people can look at one another as enemies just because of different beliefs or ideas.
    Out of all this one thing can’t be denied. There is a small group of people at the top of this mess we call home (pulling the strings) and unless we take back control we will loose everything. Don’t believe me? Just watch the news. The news will tell you everything it wants you to know. But then again, who the hell am I to say anything. I’m just a stupid American.

    FrankTreese@yahoo.com
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  • Scott

    1 year ago

    I am a Canadian Who wants Ron Paul to become the next president of the united states. in face of all odds i have faith. It will be very interesting when oil starts being traded in euros, because without someone like RP at the wheel, everyone will reget not voting for a libertarian.
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  • websmith

    1 year ago

    "Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals." - Ron Paul

    "... it is the federal government more than anything else that divides us along race, class, religion, and gender lines." - Ron Paul

    "The true antidote to racism is liberty." - Ron Paul

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/
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  • captain koukku

    1 year ago

    do you captains quarters think that you will be dining with the rothschild or the queen of great britain, no you will never be doing that. you are going to the slave camps like the rest of us, well only because of people like you will the slave camps exist in the first place. there was normal diabold black box voting fraud in new hampshire and thats why paul didnt win.

    just search some news, or go to www.prisonplanet.com an read some..,,,,
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    That's some strong pipe weed you've been smoking, don't you think? Is that the reason you support him?

    Boy, are there a lot of sock puppets, or a lot of cyber-harrasers around here?

    Cap'n, you might want to check this one out, via Instapundit: Virginia Postrel publishes an e-mail from a now-former Paul aficionado. Betrayal is all over it.

    Ron Paul is either hopelessly naive or hopelessly insincere. I've published a few articles in my lifetime: my name was on them, because I believed in what I wrote. Even in things that are made or written by others upon whose work you add your signature, you make the same point. Just like Hulk Hogan and his do-it-all electric grill. Someone else made it, but he's selling it because he believes in it, and he guarantees it 110 percent.

    If Ron Paul's name was in those newsletters, even though the actual author was someone else, he had the opportunity to disavow such thinking. He did not, and the newsletter continued publishing for years under his name. He can't just turn back right now and say he didn't mean to say the things upon which he placed his imprimatur. Again, he had plenty of time to correct the record back then, and plenty of time to disavow the ghostwriter. The fact that he did not do it and now denies he ever did would mark him as a total hypocrite, IMHO.

    The Paulbots who spend their time practicing harassment upon others in the blogosphere who disagree with their lunacies should be ashamed of themselves. If anything, they espouse the same kind of tyranny they claim to fight against. Their harassment of bloggers who oppose Ron Paul tells me they are just as practitioners of scare tactics as the Politically Correct minions you see nowadays.
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  • Freedom Fighter

    1 year ago

    "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Sam Adams, founding father, terrorist and patriot. Public enemy #1.

    You fascists are too late to stop this. You could kill Ron Paul, but you can't stop an idea whose time has come. He may not win the election, but he is the beginning of a great change in the way the Average Joe understands American politics.

    Ever heard of the Reformation? Well, the printing press is analogous to the Internet in this case. Ron Paul is just the GOP's Martin Luther. The time has come, and nothing will stand between We the People and justice.
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    If supporting a carelessly stupid newsletter editor at best, and a racist and anti-Semite at worst, is your equivalent of the Reformation, then I want nothing to do with it!

    If supporters of a carelessly stupid "author" and hopelessly insincere individual is the "salvation" of the GOP, then I'd rather see it go to hell.

    It was people like Paul and his supporters that WFB unceremoniously kicked out of the conservative movement years ago. I hope the GOP has the guts to tell the Paulians at the convention to go pound sand outside and never return.
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  • Matt

    1 year ago

    I'm not a RP supporter,but I must say that I am very disappointed in how incredibly distasteful the anti-ron paulians who have replied to this article, and to each others posts, have conducted themselves. In reading several of these posts I find that many of the Paul supporters on this particular page seem to be presenting a lot more thoughtful, intellectual, and curteous remarks than most of the others. It seems that several anti-paulians are acting much less respectfully towards others opinions than the RP supporters that I see on here. It seems to me that perhaps anti-paulians are egging it on (ie. attempting to intentionally provoke). In reading many of these distasteful, ill-informed, unfounded comments I find myself appreciating Dr. Paul, if nothing else for the perserverance to continue despite what may be said about him.
    Will you choose your candidate based on appearance or tonality of voice (e.g. RP looks like a nut or sounds like a nut ), or will you choose he/she based on one's character, beliefs, and capacity to be beaten and continue regardless. One's ability to state one's honest convictions even in the face of adversity. (once again not a RP supporter) Vote Huckabee!
    I am simply stating that in reading this I find myself hurting for a man who is not a looney or a nut case but a man who is trying very hard with little means ,comparatively, to stand for what he believes. While some direspectful people who do not agree with him find the need to not necessarily even disagree with him, as much as just call he and his supporters nasty names. It feels rather childish if I might say so.
    In regards to negative things being said or done in regards to him, once more grow up. It's called dirty politics. Just like when someone smears any candidate a defense is mounted then you choose who you believe. Vote Huckabee!
    Postscript, I am a Huckabee supporter but I very much encourage everyone to please research these candidates for yourselves it is very important. In most scenarios it appears some things will legitimately be changing after this election. Please consider the courses of action being proposed by all candidates and support your candidate, encourage others to do so as well. For an unbias news source try CSPAN. Read articles, books, blogs and keep an open mind before making your decision.
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  • Derrick

    1 year ago

    Seventeen years is a long time. How many objectionable articles were there in that time? How many people contributed to the newsletter in that time? If there was a consistent tone of objectionable rhetoric, that would be damning. I doubt you will find that. If one article pops up every couple of years (or even once a year) then the explanation already given is probably sufficient. Seriously, this is like claiming that Texas is ultra liberal because some districts occasionally elect a Democrat to Congress.

    I have to admit that I like what Dr. Paul has to say about taxes and monetary policy. I guess that comes from the fact that I didn’t sleep through macro-economics in college, unlike most of America. It’s a little sad to see a candidate who endorses a sound monetary policy, eliminating the IRS, non-interventionist foreign policy, and smaller government being labeled an outsider and a kook. These used to be core Republican values, ten years ago. Something has gone wrong from that perspective with the whole party, not just this administration.
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  • michael

    1 year ago

    At least I still get to laugh my ass off every day watching stupid ignorant people being foreclosed on in the real estate crash, caused by the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank Corporation. My stupid American brethren are getting exactly what they deserve for being so willfully ignorant. I get to laugh my ass off every day seeing hundreds of thousands of real estate related jobs go kaput. It's funny seeing the homeless population explode and the food banks go empty. I will enjoy watching thousands of state and local government workers get laid off this year as well. America deserves the enema that it has coming. Vote for Dr. Ron Paul. It's your only hope.
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  • DanHansen

    1 year ago

    This article (and much of the commentary) seems more about baiting supporters of Ron Paul than it is about anything substantive. I am guessing you are viewing those old newletters as some sort of venus fly-trap for political neophytes, hoping to heap some nasty rhetoric on any willing to defend Ron Paul's message of small government, non-interventionism, and freedom.

    The level of invective is pretty intense - if it is not hatred it borders on it.

    Ron Paul has been quite clear in this campaign on how he feels about racism - if you bother paying attention he has clearly identified racism as an evil and as an afront to individuality. But since Paul is not going away you and yours will have a chance to question him further on this issue - if you can get a question out between polemics and invective. And if you bother listening to the answer.

    Are you interested? Or is the bloodsport of smear politics enough to keep you amused?
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  • captained

    1 year ago

    People do not get "smeared" by quoting their own newsletters and producing them in full. A "smear" is an untruth, a lie; this came from his own publication over a period of seventeen years. We are left with three possibilities to explain this:

    1. He never read his own newsletter in 17 years, and allowed other people to control what went out in his name without exercising the least bit of oversght.

    2. He agreed with what people published under his name and/or wrote it himself.

    3. He didn't agree with it, but allowed it to continue under his byline because he wanted contributions from the racists, homophobes, and conspiracy nuts it attracted.

    Which one of the three is it? Because from where I sit, the only likely explanations are 2 and 3, and even if it is 1, it shows him as an idiot who doesn't belong as dogcatcher, let alone a Congressman or President.

    Ron Paul has been clear about how he feels about racism? How do you know that? Because he told you this year? What about the 17 years he allowed this crap in his newsletters?
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  • Pat

    1 year ago

    It's so sad too me to see so many people that I have to call fellow Americans either brainwashed clueless or just no fight in them at all. If you take everything away like how people "feel" you have the facts and the facts are that we are in war that no ones know why we're there (even our military supports Paul check out the contributions). Our economy is so bad right now because we use money that is backed by air. Doesn't anybody remember why we fought Europe? We fought them because they were trying to tax us, then we turn around and go against our own constitution and make an amendment to tax ourselves. Doesn't anybody want a strong economic country that has good intelligence and maybe even some morals? I don't think Paul has a chance because there is no way he would get the electoral votes if it came down to it. Your vote doesn't matter, check wikipedia, the popular vote has no legal standing. I'm no conspiracy theorist, and I'm not the most educated guy around, but isn't something wrong here? Just on the fact alone that people like you are supporting people who support a war that is getting kids mothers and fathers killed and mothers and fathers are getting their sons and daughters killed. For nothing. Obviously not one of you has someone risking their lives over there and if you do you should go check when you lost your soul and/or conscious. I honestly feel nauseous thinking that there is people out there that are so detached to what this country was founded on and think that everything is "A-ok"
    or that one of these politicians to get elected will make our country better. I hope at least one of you will stop and think for five seconds about what is true, or dust off you heart to see if you can feel what feels right for our country. I wish you people the best in life and hope you find true meaning in what we're supposed to be doing here on earth.
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  • RIF

    1 year ago

    When will Americans understand great leaders are defined by great ideas? Not buzz words like 'change' or 'hope', or even 'revolution'. With the same small pool of advisors that play musical chairs when Americans elect a new President, does anybody still think that the newly elected President will be bringing forth anything substantially different from the status quo? I would invite all to research the political advisors that will be joining the mainstream candidate's administrations should they win the election. America is looking at four more years of the same ideas. George Washington was partial to republicanism, supporting individual liberties; a Baptist conviction provoked Abraham Lincoln to end slavery, both very different ideas from the status quo. I choose Ron Paul, not because he is the most articulate, best groomed, or verbally impactful. I choose him because I believe in his ideas of sound money, nonintervention, and conservatism. Ideas that really will bring about 'change' and 'revolution', far from the status quo.

    Start understanding the Contstitution:
    http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0612d.asp
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  • mythusmage

    1 year ago

    I have read humanities professors with a better grasp of the concepts of evidence and proof than the Paulettes who commented here. Be this a fair example of the quality of his vocal supporters, I'd side with the dogs were he elected to animal control.
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  • Jo

    1 year ago

    Perhaps our focus has shifted to getting the numbers now that the election season has begun. Ron Paul responded to this matter and has taken moral responsibility for it which is a far cry from admitting to writing things that he did not. It certainly isn't helpful to the campaign to have this information released on the day of the NH primary, but it does not affect the message. 10 and 8% works for me (and counting the 31 misplaced votes in Sutton would've been nice). We retain our presence and more join us every day. Anyone who has listened to this man knows those are not his words. He is an advocate of freedom and has praised Ghandi and King's methods on numerous occasions. Move on to something more noteworthy. I'm bored.
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  • Jo

    1 year ago

    I posted my last comment before I read through all the ridiculous, hateful, sad comments below. Nevermind. I wish I hadn't wasted my time. They must really be frightened of us. Gotta go donate more money and hang some rEVOLution signs. I won't be back.
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  • John Galt

    1 year ago

    This is just another smear to Ron Paul... I think you are reaching when you say he probably wrote under another name. He stands for FREEDOM, don't you get it? Maybe you like things the way they are with 35,000 new laws per year. Maybe you like tolls being placed on roads Americans already paid for. Maybe you like public education that can't compete with international standards. Maybe you like the fact our dollar is worth less every day and hurts retired people and the savers of our nation. Maybe you can't stand a person with character and morals who truly loves America. Maybe you just don't get it! Ron Paul for President... Why not go to You Tube and watch "Stupid in America" with John Stossel, might open your eyes just a hair...
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  • ScottyC

    1 year ago

    Paul has the money and support to go the distance in the race.

    There will be an economic collapse in this country at some point (in fact a slow dollar and staock market crash are already under way). Those of you who call Dr. Paul names, or otherwise marginalize him and ignore his warnings on this, do so at your own peril.
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  • Paulite

    1 year ago

    OK, I give up

    I guess I have no choice except to go along with even bigger government, higher taxes and endless wars that we provoke. I can't wait until the government does everything for me and I don't have to do anything except get my check and vote for the people that promise me the most at everyone elses expense.

    BTW, I;ve noticed no MSM coverage of the confirmed vote fraud issues.

    It seems coincidental to me that the people in charge of printing the money and creating it out of thin air and loaning it back to the American taxpayers with interest have picked Hilary to win and she happens to be winning (when counted by an electronic voting machine). Obama was winning when the votes were counted by hand.

    Maybe the choice is just an illusion.

    just my two bits

    The people in this country appear to be sleep walking. They deserve who they get.
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  • Michael_Rittenhouse

    1 year ago

    "Don't bother; they're here."
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  • Craig

    1 year ago

    If the Democrats, or the Republicans could put out a Candidate that would be NORMAL as so many of you people on hear claim to want I would vote for them. Right now Ron Paul is the only one Crazy enough to admit that the government needs changing. If it takes a Crazy person to get the American Public to wake up and see that we are more Fascist now then Republic GREAT!

    Ron Paul is bringing up Important stuff. If you don't want him in the election, get YOUR candidate to listen to some of the stuff he is talking about. I will vote my belief in the primary.
    I will vote for Candidate that will ruin my families life the least and that can get elected in November.

    The last thing we need is more government spending, bigger wars, more taxes. If the Dems get their way we will be taxed on our emails and text messages. Those 200 spams a day at 41 cents each get my vote.
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  • PHenry

    1 year ago

    The reason you aren't getting comments from Ron Paul supporters is because all of the "newsletter garbage " has already ben debunked. It's old news to us. We have read his books, listened to his speaches, read his speeches from the past, checked out his voting record, noted he's never taken a penny from a lobbyist. Many of us have met him in person, and we have looked at his long and distinguised career and put that up against a few newsletters under his name that had articles which no one has produced in their entirety, that Ron Paul said he didn't write. Never the less Ron Paul has claimed moral responsibility and apologized for what was written. We have determined, as John McCain said, "Ron Paul is the most honest man in Washington."

    First they ignore you, then they ATTACK you, then they fight you, then you win.

    You're so predictable it's getting boring.
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  • DCUPtoejuice

    1 year ago

    I supported Paul in his presidential bid since last spring. The author of this article proposes that 10% in Iowa and 8% in New Hampshire coupled with some very old dirt that is overblown and taken out of context, and has been suitably addressed by the candidate numerous times means we should all pack up our bags and go home. Wouldn't those Rudy supporters love that! Let's face it, none of these candidates is perfect and none of them has a clear path to the nomination by any stretch of the imagination. So why don't we just let the voting continue and whoever wins wins.
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  • CaptTofu

    1 year ago

    The New Republic ... isn't that the publication the posted the Scott Beauchamp story? I find it ironic that the conservative sites who made such big hay over that story are so quick to give credibility to the Ron Paul story. I suppose credibility varies according to the topic of the story and the viewpoint of the reader.
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  • captained

    1 year ago

    They included the source material on their site. It's not really a question of TNR's credibility when they produce the actual newsletters. And I note that the Paul campaign isn't denying the accuracy of the quotes.
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  • SCOTT

    1 year ago

    What happened in NH is clear,Americans don't want real change.
    We are a country of sheep with a pack mentality.
    The problem is that the media only reports what they want the sheep to know.
    The truth is right in front of us but we choose to turn a blind eye.
    The Patriot act,the North American Union,the list go's on and on.
    This country is sinking deeper and deeper and theirs nothing anyone can do about it!
    We put down the French,What gives us the right!
    Freedom fries my ass!!! That country gets out in the streets and protests for our rights as we sit silent and complaisant.
    Give us our big screen TV's and our SUV's and TMZ and MTV and were happy to tow the line for this dream, this lie of what America has become!
    I would tell people to wake the hell up,but they won't...
    I would be wasting my breath.
    Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

    ONE COUNTRY UNDER GOD WITHOUT TRUTH OR JUSTICE OR LIBERTY FOR ANYONE.
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  • t

    1 year ago

    we're ignoring you dumbass. just because there's no response to your stupid blog doesn't mean we are gone. the world doesn't revolve around you. may be the reason, or may be we've left our houses to do lit drops or canvassing.
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  • VAT

    1 year ago

    So you want the Ron Paul supporters to show up or you do not?
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  • KF

    1 year ago

    Multiple people have pointed out to me this ever-so-convenient last second smear has resurfaced, perhaps to derail Paul on the eve of the NH returns.

    It's the umpteenth reprise of the racist allegations about articles in Paul's old newsletter. Apparently the establishment thinks this meme is a winner if it gets repeated long enough.
    Nevermind the fact that he has said he had nothing to to with them, and that he has never published or spoken in that tone , or even close to that in over 20 years of political life.

    Please see the facts and judge for yourself:

    NY Times retracting what they said about it:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/27/pageoneplus/2...

    Article debunking the newsletters:
    http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid...
    Videos of Ron Paul denouncing hate groups.

    PBS Interview:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_UBMO9XPec

    Fox News Interview:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqPhrqllHzY

    Andrew Sullivan denouncing it:
    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...

    Reason's blog on the flap:

    http://reason.com/blog/show/124281.html
    And of course from HQ, the official Ron Paul response:

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/125/r...
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  • Torqued

    1 year ago

    Here for all you "Big Government" "Flex our muscles" people. Have your health care, your social, security, you national id card, and your North American Union.

    Just watch this video on that "other morons" TV show.

    Have fun sleeping with all your vivid dreams of security......hehe

    Because this is the truth. You call it conspiricy what Ron Paul is saying, but no matter how you slice it or what you call it,

    It is the truth.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-16u9x3tfE

    Man some or you out there make me sick.

    Ron Paul lives!!!
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    Ron Paul isn't going to the White House. However, he and his followers deserve to be sent to the nuthouse!
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  • Cyndy

    1 year ago

    Ron Paul is insane. You can see it just by hearing him talk, Who would ever bekueve that he sent out 17 years if hate mail without reading any of it? So would ge read bills before signing them? Gimme a break...
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  • Nate

    1 year ago

    Because we're tired of nimwits like you with your special interests, whatever they may be...trying to undermine a person that follows and defends what the CONSTITUTION says....hmm thats a novel idea...the US Constitution...lets just keep voting for lip servicers, and politicians that do what ever they want...Bush, Clinton, whoever...they're all the same...where's your common sense olfactory nerve...Ron Paul's message is hitting you smack dab in the face...but your nose is too brown to smell the roses....shame on you for having a forum to even exist...go back to where ever you're from...we need Americans and we need the Constitution!!!
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  • George Dance

    1 year ago

    Ah, oui, mon capitaine. You singlehandledly destroyed the Ron Paul Revolution three weeks ago. All of Ron Paul's supporters quit overnight: his campaign never received another dollar or another vote. Paul's very name was forgotten by February. Everything else you think happened since was just a bad dream. Happy now?
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  • Simon Lawrence

    1 year ago

    Ron Paul will not be elected president, but the realignement of radical politics from media endorsed, 'conservative' acquiesced socialism into libertarianism proceeds afoot. Not just in the US either, but in Europe as well. When the Republican party collapses at the next election (who doubts it?), and the economy follows (again a dead cert ) I wonder who is left standing? Who explained and predicted all of this?

    Ron Paul, liberty and sound money economics; and the hundreds of thousands of young, highly-motivated and educated supporters. There are none others like them and, as is always the case, the future of politics belongs to them.

    No amount of fuddy-duddy slurring will stop this. When you call someone an anti-semite you may cost them short-term support but when two out of three of their heros - enshrined on their wall - are Jews you cost yourself support.
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  • nichevo

    1 year ago

    So, in other words, YOU have NOTHING to learn? Flawless candidate, flawless campaign, zero mistakes? Ready to govern from Day One?

    The country you fear would track all your IPs and give you South African necklace parties. Regrettably that won;t happen because your perceptions of this country are in fact DELUSIONAL.

    How odd, I should have thought Libertarians would be accountable for their mistakes. I wonder what kind of surgical record Dr. Paul has; after all, if he doesn't wash his hands, it must be someone else's fault. Didn't he say something about accepting moral responsibility for the newsletter? Is that like Janet Reno accepting responsibility for Waco? And becoming the longest serving AG EVAR?!??!!!11!!eleven!

    Ron Paul: DO NOT WANT

    PS What Jews are on whose wall? When all else fails, try talking sense.

    PPS And ALL he had to do was give the $500 to B'nai Brith or some soup kitchen. Didn't have to give it back to Stormfront. Let him rot in Hell, I mean Texas.
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  • newton

    1 year ago

    Hey, even here in TX we don't want him! Rather have Kinky Friedman than Ron Paul!
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  • nichevo

    1 year ago

    Just thinking about Mark Twain's (?) old crack, "If I were the Devil and I owned both Hell and Texas, I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell." IIRC. Presumably meaning that Texas is hotter. Or more hellish?
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  • Rich Rostrom

    1 year ago

    It wasn't Twain, it was General Phil Sheridan. He was military governor of Texas at the end of the War, and didn't think much of it.
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  • Robert S

    1 year ago

    Yeah, that Ron Paul guy is certainly a nut (to say nothing of his loony supporters); I can't believe anyone took him seriously. After all, he wants the federal government to abide by the Constitution - how insane is that? We'd have to lose the federal income tax, the war on drugs, federalized education and (gasp!) our interventionist foreign policy. Every right thinking American knows this is utter lunacy. Its clear to see how much better the world is due to our Leviathan limiting personal choices (for our own collective good), policing the planet (for their own collective good), and expanding into any facet of our lives ‘We the People’ deem necessary. We are American! And we know what’s good for you. There ain’t no stupid document gonna prevent us from doing what’s right, ya’hear? So yes, I agree – Ron Paul and his ilk are certainly way off the edge.
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  • Otter

    1 year ago

    So you are also a proponent of getting rid of all blacks in the US? Go figure.
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  • Robert S

    1 year ago

    Ummm... WHAT? How the heck did you read the above and come to that conclusion? Or are you just knee-jerking?
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  • Howard C.

    1 year ago

    You are quite adept at making men out of straw. I'm a proud citizen of TX-14 (and I'm white and Christian, btw) and Paul has governed by ONE sole principle: What does The Constitution say?

    He could be sodomizing rabbits in his personal life, for all I care... because he's NEVER backed away from his guiding principle. Does he hate blacks or Jews or Hispanics? I don't know, and I don't care. But I DO know he won't let his personal feelings get in the way of his governance.
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  • Yashmak

    1 year ago

    "Does he hate blacks or Jews or Hispanics? I don't know, and I don't care."

    Thing is, most of us DO care.
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  • hunter_123

    1 year ago

    Speaking of edge, please step back three paces.
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  • Herb

    1 year ago

    Ed,

    It's because they were all commenting at TNR -- 1,000 plus posts and counting, most on the very far edge of sanity.
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  • Roger

    1 year ago

    A coordinated effort, led by Chris Matthews and other "Corporate Owned Media Pundants," just tried to fix an election by overwhelming the airways with false propaganda on a very crucial election day. The lies they spouted all week long could have very easily determined the outcome of the election. These people are not helping or informing us. They are simply undermining our intelligence. When will our citizens wake up and make congress pass laws to hold them accountable.
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  • celebrim

    1 year ago

    I have to agree with Tareeq. Anyone that calls himself a true believer in American freedom and the Constitution can't possibly believe that we need laws regulating political speech.
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  • Tareeq

    1 year ago

    "These people are not helping or informing us. They are simply undermining our intelligence. When will our citizens wake up and make congress pass laws to hold them accountable."

    Roger, wouldn't a true lover of liberty oppose federal laws making "these people" accountable for political speech?

    What would Dr. Paul say if he could see you now?
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  • NoDonkey

    1 year ago

    Because you know everyone in American hangs on Chris Matthews' every word.

    A blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes, and in Ron Paul, Tip O'Neill's former catamite turned hack journalist found a nut - and that nut was Ron Paul.

    The biggest nut there is.
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  • garvin

    1 year ago

    I couldn't agree with you more! Keep up the good work and spreading the message. Vote Ron Paul!!
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  • Roger

    1 year ago

    A coordinated effort, led by Chris Matthews and other "Corporate Owned Media Pundants," just tried to fix an election by overwhelming the airways with false propaganda on a very crucial election day. The lies they spouted all week long could have very easily determined the outcome of the election. These people are not helping or informing us. They are simply undermining our intelligence. When will our citizens wake up and make congress pass laws to hold them accountable.
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  • hunter_123

    1 year ago

    WTF are you talking about?
    Are you denying that Ron Paul published this stuff under his name?
    Are you denying that his newsletter is a fundamental part of his political machine?
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  • James

    1 year ago

    Are you denying that he said he disagreed with it?
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  • kecker

    1 year ago

    Are you denying that his denial was complete BS??
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  • REN

    1 year ago

    "The lies they spouted all week long could have very easily determined the outcome of the election."

    That MUST be it, there couldn't be any other explanation now, could there? It seems as though self-righteous defenders of the "truth" typically tend to be self-delusional as well. How about our citizens start turning off their TVs and educating themselves? But, I don't know if it would change the outcome in the way that you would like.
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  • Buckeye

    1 year ago

    "How about our citizens start turning off their TVs and educating themselves?"

    Sounds like a great idea to me. The media are clearly propagandistic. Anyone care to disagree?
    RP spoke the truth without all of the double talk and empty promises of the other candidates. The media excluded him from the forum in NH and brushed him to the side at every opportunity.
    The revolution will continue. Lethargy will doesn't buy freedom.
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  • Roger

    1 year ago

    The outcome matters very little as long as it represents the best interest of the real majority.

    Our education generally sets us up to believe most of what we see and hear in the media. Corporations are nothing more than invisible, "Profit Oriented Entities" that could care less if "we the people" exist tomorrow. They are driven only by profit. When Corporations in any country have more money to spread there influence with than even their governments, the laws we create are the only way we can keep them in check.

    However, we do need them!
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  • Yashmak

    1 year ago

    The logical flaw in your statment, is that any "Profit Oriented Entity" WOULD care if we the people exist tomorrow. Without we the people, there is no profit.

    Of course the influence of corporate money is a problem, but perhaps instead of countless new laws, we should concentrate on repealing some unwise ones instead.
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