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He was my early choice. Then, I went to the undecided category and played around with all the scenerios. I went through my Fred moment, then thought hard about Giuliani. I warmed to Huckabee, then backed off once I saw his record. I can accept McCain; but, he would never be my choice. So, over the past six months I've gone full circle and have landed as a Romney supporting making my first contribution to his campaign on the eve of the New Hampshire primary.
Don't be fooled by the head to head electability polls right now. They will all change once the final candidates are nominated and Americans have a chance to see them side by side, issue by issue. Romney will do well. As a matter of fact the head to head polls on Romney are pretty erratic; but, there are atleast three that have him looking almost as good as McCain against Hillary. That will only grow.
My biggest frustration with the Republican party is that they don't seem to communicate their ideas very well; and great ideas get lost to the general population. Romney can change this. He has the business background and can make the sell.
I appreciate your thorough professionalism and integrity and it is one of the reasons why this blog is so popular.
I began to lean towards Romney after I read his book “Turnaround” which is his story of the SLC Olympics. This was a feat behind the ability of anyone but a small handful of supremely talented professionals. When I looked at his record as Gov of MA, I could see the same talented hands at work in an environment so hostile to conservatives.
For a long time however I flirted with Rudy because of the elect ability factor. Having researched the history and trends of head-to-head polls, I am convinced that the current polling in favour of McCain is a fool’s paradise. McCain came into the race as a nationally known figure and the MSM media have (in my opinion deliberately) kept his profile high to pump him up as their preferred candidate. McCain is too old, too angry, too entrenched in Washington and too hostile to the GOP base to ever govern as a Reagan conservative. Huckabee to me was always a liberal who happened to be socially conservative and his campaign convinced me he wasn’t ready for the big time. Fred was very attractive at first but lacked the fire in the belly.
The final clincher for me was hearing from a friend in the campaign about Romney’s on-the-ground effort and knowing this was replicated in all the key states and that he had the money to go all the way against the Dems. Always listen to what your enemies say about you and your competition, anyone the NY Times or MSM commentators fawn over in the GOP is code for me to vote for whoever is that candidate’s most obvious and successful opponent and that will tell you who they would really rather not face. The MSM used Huckabee as a foil first and now McCain or, in reality, anybody but Mitt – that speaks volumes about who they fear the most.
Thems the breaks I suppose.
BTW: Why wouldn't McCain and Huck cozy up to the press, they have to get all of the free media they can get here in FL. I can't go 5 damn minutes without seeing Romney's pretty face.
I also hope your endorsement will more than counteract that of Florida's governor!
Also, thanks for your Blog, and role in NARN--a breath of fresh air imported here, deep in Liberal Brooklyn, NY. Thanks, in part, to the sense you espouse, I just switched my registration from D to R yesterday; it won't be effective for the upcoming primary, but I am seriously thinking of volunteering for the Romney campaign here in New York (the primary may actually be competitive unless Rudy pulls off a miracle).
PS: hoping that many, many potential McCain votes are actuall in absentee envelopes for Rudy!
Got to watch him up close when he was governor here in MA. He did a good job although his hands were tied by the veto-overide controlled legislature.
While everyone talks politics and issues, he's the guy I trust to make the best most ethical choices if elected. He has very strong fundamental values.
Someone I know that knows him personally says he is just what you see. Very easy going, intelligent, optimistic and friendly.
Putting McCain's dysfunctional campaign team up against Hillary would be a suicide mission; and he has all the charm of a junkyard dog compared to Obama. Ain't gonna work: Hillary would crush him; Obama would out-dance him.
Rudy may fare better in the ring, but I doubt he can ignite the conservative base to the degree needed (though he probably would do well with the swing voters). So far, he's failed to catch fire, but even if he does, it won't be enough: after a gallant fight, he loses by a small-to-significant margin. I don't want to snap off my television one November evening muttering, "Well, it was close…"
Romney is the rational choice: he has the conservative bona fides, is hawkish on Islamic jihad, and is doing a good job lately of becoming more relaxed & striking that Reagan-esque balance between confidence-inspiring leadership and "guy on the street" humanity, so has the best chance of motivating the base to come out in big numbers. He has the resources & professional campaign operation that can take on Hillary, and has the communication skills to counter the empty rhetoric of change of Obama with facility, which will pull the independents & swingers as fall approaches.
His executive experience and successful record is a huge plus, and Ed is right to note it: it will be needed to reign in a democratically-controlled Congress, for one thing, but first we have to get someone sworn in on Jan. 20th, and that means nominating someone who can prosecute a successful national campaign against formidable opponents & media spin. Romney, in my mind, is the only one who can pull it off.
Put your emotions aside, and use your reason. Then pull the lever in November with the confidence born of strategic evaluation.
McCain was CO of VA 174, a training Squadron. The top tier candidates for Squadron Commander normally get Tactical Squadrons. Tactical Squadrons are committed to offensive carrier operations vs training fleet replacement aviators. McCain's selection for CO of VA 174 probably means that he was not physically fit enough, or tactically smart enough to lead a frontline unit. No big surprise for someone who had spent nearly six years as a POW. Of course, none of this matters for a top tier candidate for President. He's had twenty five years in the House and Senate to show us what he's got...As a retired Marine Aviator, I'll be supporting Romney. I'm far more impressed with Mitt's command of the issues, his record as a successful businessman, his honesty, integrity and relative youth and vigor (compared to McCain), than I am with McCain's glory days as a Naval Aviator.
use you boats and those little white hats are so cute.
Captain put me in your boat...
Sen Thompsen is too old to be VP, Duncan Hunter isn't.
maccain was a hero, so was Benedict Arnold, but Arnold didn't have an Admiral for a father.
I'm not yet 100% sold on Romney, myself, but he is shaping up to the one I am most likely to vote for.
I like your reasoning towards arriving at this conclusion, and I very much appreciate you sharing your thought process with us.
I find myself very much in agreement with your thinking.
I do have one major divergence with you - perhaps. I know this is an absolutely staggaring "understatement": "I know I have mentioned this before..." ....
But I do live within a few hours of the Mexico border, in Texas.
We have a staggaring impact from the trafficking of Illegal Aliens, etc, across the entire Mexico border - and it is negative in many ways that those of you not in the thick of it cannot comprehend.
I find that Mitt Romney is the only one who shows a GENUINE attempt to comprehend the problem and the depth of CITIZENS' concerns about the issues.
I find the lies of McCain in this regard to be simply mindboggling - if one were to allow the lies and duplicitousness of a politician to get to one. McShamnesty, Juan Hernandez, his affiliation with the likes of Media Matters, and who many of his other allies are....
Ann Coulter's latest article this week - on McCain, concerning issues of the day I clearly remember for myself.
Huckabee - "SLAVE REPARATIONS" for Illegal Aliens, open borders, etc --- I know the Bible much too well to be told we owe TAX DOLLARS to destroy America by encouraging an infestation of swamping, and destruction, through ILLEGAL AND ILLEGITMATE means...
Guiliani - I saw him willing to set aside an election due to some small group flattering him - plus he sued the Federal Govt on behalf of ILLEGAL ALIENS - and again - I am too close to that border and have personal experiences with folks that I had known all my life...
He has no comprehension - and has recently stated that he fully intends to find a way for them to stay here LEGALLY, even without CITIZENSHIP.
And when Hunter endorsed Huckabee (I understand because they both "HONOR ISRAEL"), I don't know what Hunter is thinking, but that breaks all bets with me.
Because I love Israel very deeply. But the American border MUST be secured and cannot be left to the hands of such a person as Huckabee.
Therefore, NONE of the other GOP Candidates is even on the table, as far as I am concerned.
But I like Romney for the reasons you have enumerated. My own father has been in small business for himself most of my life, and what Mitt says about business makes sense.
I also like the way that he and his wife and sons carry themselves. I learned a long time ago to notice the way a well-dressed man's wife is carrying herself - and feeling about herself. Frankly, as a wife, Mrs. Romney is the only one who makes me feel good about her husband.
Mrs. Huckabee looks like a very very dear and lovely lady.
Well, I am from Texas, and as such, I have until the first week of March to make up my mind, and I hope and pray the candidates show me everything I need to know to make the right choice.
May the Good Lord grant EVERYONE great Wisdom.
And the similarities to Clinton do not stop there.
But if you're going to participate in the caucus in your state then yes you have to let it be known that you are in the tank for Romney.
I would wish you luck with your guy except I believe strongly he doesn't have a prayer of winning in the general against either Obama or Hillary. Geesh, even I would consider voting for one of them over this gutless wonder if they'd just dial back their rhetoric on Iraq when it gets to the general. Which they will. Or the war will be at such a point by then it won't matter what they say.
Anyway, see you after the convention (if it's someone other than this guy) or if it's Romney then after the general in November.
I applaud your endorsement. And given Charlie Crist's endorsement of McCain, your support of Romney comes at a time when he really needs it!
I am a 30 year old Republican living in NYC -- obviously not the friendliest of territories for someone with my political views. What I have noticed, however, from my "intellectual" Democratic friends here, is a genuine respect for Romney's intellect and his resume. That is significant. What I have also noticed from the "chattering class" and the Mainstream Media is a fairly overt disdain for Romney. I view this, though, as a feather in Mitt's cap and, quite frankly, I never fail to feel validated in my support of Romney when I hear the MSM talking derisively about him, because I firmly believe that he is the GOP candidate that Democrats and the Media most fear. They recognize his intelligence, his articulateness and his energy, and I think they realize that -- particularly if pitted against Hillary -- Romney would be an extremely formidable candidate.
The Crist endorsement concerns me given how tight this race in Florida is. It seems that when two candidates are running neck-and-neck, anything that can tip the scales for one over the other could potentially be important. I also worry about it because I fear it will overshadow McCain’s dishonest attack on Romney for his alleged support of timetables for withdrawal from Iraq. I think that if anyone takes the time to look at the Romney quote McCain is citing in context, it becomes pretty clear that Romney was in no way advocating a “timetable” of the type McCain is claiming he did. Even without the Crist endorsement “headline” that likely tops most Florida papers today, it would be hard to expect your average voter to delve into the timetable issue long enough or thoroughly enough to recognize its inaccuracy, much less to recognize the hypocrisy of the so-called “Man of Honor” making what he knows is a bogus charge. I worry that your average Florida voter will glance at the paper today and see “Crist Endorsed McCain” above-the-fold, and then not far below that, “McCain Accuses Romney of Supporting Timetable for Iraq Withdrawal”. (The only way Romney could truly trump this news cycle before Tuesday would be for Jeb Bush to step up and endorse him – something I view as a possible but not likely).
There is one last thing I wanted to mention, and I am quite curious what your thoughts are on the issue. I recently spoke to my Dad and, in discussing the 2008 Election, he told me of a good friend of his who told him that he would never vote for Romney because he doesn’t “want a Mormon in the White House”. To properly frame this, my father’s friend is Doctor, very intelligent, very open-minded, and a consistent Republican. He is not someone I have ever heard say anything that reflected even a hint of bigotry or prejudice. Similarly, I have a colleague at work with whom I regularly discuss politics. After the debate on Thursday night, I cam in Friday and told my colleague that I thought Romney had won Florida with his debate performance and, therefore, that I thought he would go on to win the nomination. He responded, “Well, then the Democrats will win because Romney’s religion is going to be an issue”. Here again, this is a very intelligent person, one of the most fair-minded people I know, and while he is not saying that Romney’s religion would keep him from voting for Mitt, he seems very firm in his conviction that the “Mormon issue” is one that will greatly hinder Romney’s chances for victory in the general election. What are your thoughts on this, Ed?
Again, thanks for all of the great work you do here, and thanks for endorsing the candidate who I also believe is best-suited to be our next President of the United States.
Very sincerely,
Bragg Van Antwerp
New York, NY
I've followed the Rudy to Fred to Mitt trail myself, and honestly think that it's only Mitt left that can compete on the national stage with whoever ends up on the Democratic ticket, and I have to say that I'm a bit squeamish about the Mormon issue, as well as finding him a bit on the stiff side.
I would have to profoundly disagree with you. True I also have a personal dislike for Romney, having met him before and come away with nothing but a bad taste in my mouth. I see him as nothing but an empty suit. He is no Reagan, Ronald Reagan had strongly held beliefs and convictions. I see nothing but fluff from Romney, fluff and a bit of cowardice. Romney reminds me very much of a Conservative Clinton. His race will end in a Goldwater-like defeat that will send conservatives into the socialist desert for 8-10 years. McCain is the only man with the stones and the credentials to sell the victory in the war to a public 70% against it . America needs pragmatic and real solutions not promises which can not be kept.
Turning around the Olympics is not turning around the largest economy in the world. His solution in the business world was layoffs as I recall (isn't that a tennent of venture capitalism?).
How did he propose to "bring the jobs back"? He had no conservative solution, you can not recork the bottle, they ARE gone.
As I said in a previous post, executive experience is not necessarily a precursor to successful presidency. We have been mismanaged for 16 years by a string of governors. They do not know how to play well with others, they do not know how to work the Senate and House.
turning around the Olympics was another example of the impossible, being soundly accomplished.
Ronald Reagan is a hero, a legend, it is not fair to compare the living to President Reagan.
But Romney shares the same 'can do' positive optimism as Reagan, and clearly embraces his policy of low taxation, fiscal discipline, with strong National Defense and serious engaged Foreign Policy.
McCain is a 24 year long Senator, who actually voted to oppose tax cuts (using populist rhetoric), gave us Campaign Finance Folly, never led the effort to reform PORK, is peddling global warming populism, and responds to serious economic questions by listing his fellow Senator friends...
In MASS, Romney displayed a very Conservative mindset to aiding the economy and growing job opportunity.
Reductions in tax burdens, fiscal responsibility, sound pro-business mindset, attracting companies, competing for employment and investment in the State of MASS.
His record is truly impressive, and perhaps you should review again.
One of Dr. Schackelford's readers provided these efforts...
Here is Romney’s actual conservative record:
---In the four balanced budgets he signed into law, Governor Romney used the line-item veto or program reduction power to cut spending by nearly $1 Billion. Over the course of four budgets, Governor Romney made over 300 line-item reductions, 350 line-item eliminations and struck language 150 times.
--- When Gov Romney took office in Massachusetts, he inherited a $2 billion deficit. While in office, he turned the $2 billion into a surplus----WITHOUT raising taxes.
---Gov Romney solved the health care crisis in Massachusetts----and his plans are still used today. He did this by using the free market and competition---and without raising taxes.
--- Gov. Romney was instrumental in passing a bill abolishing a retroactive capital gains tax in the state that would have forced nearly 50,000 taxpayers to pay an additional $200 million in state taxes and fees
--- 4 years ago --- before the illegals marched in our streets --- Romney opposed a bill that would have allowed illegal aliens to get driver’s licenses. “Those who are here illegally should not receive tacit support from our government that gives an indication of legitimacy,” the governor said. (Scott S. Greenberger, “Romney Stand Dims Chances Of License For Undocumented,” The Boston Globe, 10/28/03)
--- Romney vetoed a bill in 2004 that would have permitted illegal aliens to pay the same in-state tuition rate paid by citizens at public colleges and universities in Massachusetts.
--- Romney vetoed the bill providing state funding for human embryonic stem cell research
--- Romney vetoed a bill that provided for the “morning after pill” without a prescription because it is an abortifacient and would have been available to minors without parental notification and consent
--- He vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation
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--- Governor Romney strongly supported a successful ballot initiative that replaced the state’s bilingual program with English immersion. (Romney Vows to Protect English Immersion Law, May 1, 2003)
--- Governor Romney demonstrated his commitment to school-choice by vetoing a bill that would have canceled funding for Massachusetts’ charter-school program. (Romney to Veto Charter School Moratorium, June 23, 2004)
--- He supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement
--- He fought to promote abstinence education in public school classrooms with a program offered by faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students.
Governor Romney filed and signed into law the most significant expansion of military benefits in recent years. The new law reduced to zero the cost members of the Massachusetts National Guard must pay to attend public colleges and universities, increased twenty-fold the death benefit paid to families of members killed in the line of duty, created a new annuity benefit for Gold Star spouses and boosted the amount paid to Gold Star parents. (Romney Signs Legislation Expanding Military Benefits, November 11, 2005)
Bren | 01.22.08
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/190882.php
No thank you to senators for Prez, particularly one who hears the call to battle The Horror of Global Warming. There's a few billion up in (carbon-rich) smoke.
"His solution in the business world was layoffs as I recall" should help in shriking the bloated government which is a popular theme of citizens looking for change. He also grew many new jobs in his developing businesses.
I spoke to my Cousin last night on much the same topic. We are both Conservatives in this very Democrat state of Minnesota. Before I even told him my own thoughts, I asked him who he thought most Conservatives should support. He stated it like this, and spoke about how he drew conclusions Pre-Fred exit:
My Choice would have to be Mitt Romney. He is not the perfect Conservative, but I think he is one closer than the rest. I also liked Fred Thompson and Rudy Guliani, but neither have "stepped up" to tell us that they really wanted us to vote for either of them.
He then put his choices in order of acceptability:
1. Mitt Romney: A politician who defies expectations, who is more outsider than insider, and who seems more interested in how to fix America than in who likes him in the Media or in Washington. As Conservative as we can get in this election.
2. Fred Thompson: While being more Conservative than Romney, he just didn't seem to want it bad enough to go after it. And this is very important to becoming President, believe me.
3. Rudy Guliani: While pretty Liberal by Republican standards, Rudy is not afraid to fight for his beliefs and could care less who likes him for it. He is a leader who has based his career, although not all his beliefs, on the Reagan standard. A great speaker and powerful leader.
4. Mike Huckabee: A Liberal with Social values. A man who also seems more interested in making friends on the other side of the aisle than in pushing a true vision. In other words, he is very religious, perhaps one of the best speakers, but who cannot be relied on to do anything conservative. His record bears this out. (side note: We spoke of the fact that Huckabee shows that proof positive, Fiscal Conservatism holds a greater importance than Social, and one should not vote simply via religious bias)
5. Senator John McCain: The worst of all possible choices (except perhaps the quirky Ron Paul) due to the fact that John McCain is a complete Washington insider and panderer to the Left. Except for a few issues, this man is not has nary a Conservative bone in his body. Dangerous due to his unpredictability, McCain could raise taxes easily, might endorse "The Fairness doctrine" to silence his critics, and could very well nominate a very Liberal Justice to the Supreme court, again to please Dems.
As you can see, a very thought out Philosophy, and not at all one that says we need "Another Reagan or nothing" but also one that says we must all nominate the BEST candidate in the lineup, or fail in reforming our party.
I was amazed that I completely agreed with my Cousin, and that our thoughts were pretty much in line. Our only point of contention was voting for McCain if he is nominated, a point that I hope we don't have to face. He argued for voting for McCain but only to restrict damage to our Republic, and I argued that I was unsure if I could vote for a Republican who would pretty much do the same.
Good Choice, Cap!
1) Sen Clinton will not last 4, but MacAss will be in for 8.
2) The destruction by either would be best laid on the Kommiecrats.
3) Thank God I'm too old to enjoy the results to either senator.
We've seen this new primary weed out the wannabees and some bona fide good candidates, and we are left with what we have... that completely satisfy nobody on our side. It would be one thing if we could "take a break from history" like we did in the 90s (with the obvious results)... and there are many who would like to do that.
We've seen McCain push some bad hands lately- and the Clintonian rewriting of his position on amnesty, as well as the amateurish attempt to selectively quote Romney's stance on Iraq, have eliminated my ability to support him. Now let me qualify that- that's not to say that I won't pull the lever for him if he's the nominee, but more to say that I'm so disgusted by his campaign that my enthusiasm for his candidacy will be limited solely to pulling the lever for him in the general election.
For reasons that have been rehashed over and over again, I absolutely cannot support the candidacy of Mike Huckabee- we don't need to go over it again. The notion of having a choice between him and Clinton or Obama horrifies me, and I don't know what I'd do in that circumstance. Fortunately (at least for me), it doesn't appear that I'll face that decision.
My preference for a candidate at this point would be Giuliani, but I don't realistically see that happening. As such, the closest thing remaining to someone that would make me the happiest is Romney. So, come Mardi Gras... I mean, Super Tuesday, that is where at least one lever will fall.
It ain't perfect, but it's what we've got... and as stated earlier in the thread, it is contrary to the wishes of the MSM- so it can't be that wrong.
tmi3rd
You are so objective, I really could not tell who you leaned towards, and your insight means a great deal to me.
Your expression over the past month has been tough, professional, challenging, interesting.
I like both Rudy and Romney as well, and feel they truly improve the GOP quality.
I know I began to lean heavily towards Romney after studying his record vs. the rest.
The one aspect is, his campaign expression in the past has matched his record, so when he promoted the Conservative Platform in this race, I think it is truly in earnest.
His optimism is really impressive however.
In my book, this 'caucus' endorsement means a great deal.
One of the best, has sided to caucus for Romney, and that means a great deal.
However, I wouldn't have thought less of the mighty Captain if he went elsewhere, sincerely, far too much respect and personal affinity for the mighty author of CQ.
Funny enough, once I stopped letting his religion get in my way, Romney became my first choice fairly quickly. His style comes across as a bit stiff, but I think his background explains that well enough. I'm not an MBA and I'll probably never be mistaken for one. That being said, I don't think his business acumen can be overstated. The guy is a winner, hands down. IMHO, what he did in MA (especially with who and what he had to work with) portents especially well for what he could do in Washington, too. Unlike many it seems, I've actually read up on his performance as governor, and for every anti talking point I've heard, the reality is very different and shows a fair conservative making those decisions (the $50 abortion meme being just one example).
I've seen a big deal made about electability and the polls. Ten months before the election! What isn't being considered though is how Romney will fare in a head to head debate with either Democratic candidate. I think he'll do VERY well. Substantively, his understanding and command of the issues will be unassailable. His demeanor (especially if he'll just be himself and not worry about making any gaffes) will come across very well against Hillary or Obama. I think Obama will be harder to beat, but if issues are at stake (and not any liberal Camelot revisited fantasies), I think Mitt will come out on top. I'm glad to see that (some) others are starting to feel this way as well.
But we have to win the general election to avoid Billary Obama taking over.
McCain is essentially tied with Hillary and Obama right now...
McCain v. Hillary Clinton (+0.1 McCain) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
McCain v. Barak Obama (+0.3 Obama) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Romney gets routed by both, badly.
Romney v. Hillary Clinton (+11.5 Hillary)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Romney v. Obama (+ 18.0 Obama)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Mitt Romney has no cross over appeal to Democrats, is weak with Indies and will lose. That is why Byron York today on Meet the Press noted that McCain is the only GOP candidate who in the polls has shown any ability to beat the Democrats in the general.
Must have been all those die hard Republican voters in MA that got him elected.
Dreadful. So much for crossovers.
How popular is gay marriage outside of MA?
He can beat Hillary with the same sort of campaign he beat O'Brien with - only he won't have to worry about an electorate dominated by the left.
is this the same JOE who was pushing McCain on Hewitt's site?
the same one who debased the GOP prior to 2006, complaining the Republicans weren't conservative enough?
but then pushes for the liberal leaning McCain?
we have watched a number of liberals, trying to pretend to be conservatives on the internet, desperately trying to undermine real conservatives.
it is amusing...
Did you even read the piece by our illustrious Captain that kicked off this discussion? You don't have to think of what Mitt brings to the table to prevail against the Dems, the Cap'n laid it out for you.
BTW, what's so appealing about those much-vaunted cross-over voters? And how do you figure that the Dems are eager for a Romney nomination? Every indication given by the DNC Ministry of Propaganda (i.e. the MSM) points to McCain or Huckabee being their choice for an opponent.
Watch out Bill you might get burned at the stake for heresy.
Romney can do what needs doing and is close to my position on most policy matters. Moveover, his steady focus and business experience will attract a lot of people who see Clinton for what she is and who want capability, not 'hope' without substance.
Oh the irony. In only one of the four years of Clinton's first term did the economy grow as fast as it did in 1992, and it wasn't in Clinton's first year. Clinton was extremely lucky: the economy was growing like gang busters when he was inaugurated and it was diving like gang busters when his successor was inaugurated.
Dems and the media will not be able to portray him as a horror story after working successfully in Massachusetts the way they did Bush in his first campaign.
Plus I doubt you'll find many ardent K&K voters backing Mitt. There are Republicans in Massachusetts.
His record of conservative governance in a veto proof deeply blue state should not be a knock against him. He was actually able to accomplish quite a bit while paddling against the tide of liberalism. Likewise, McCain's opposition to mainstream conservativism when it truly counted also should not be ignored. He's a deal-maker seeking approval from those he would, as President, be expected to stand up to. It is not who he is.
Some make much of his "lifetime ACU rating of 83." Of course, in the years since he last ran for President--scorning conservative Republicans in favor of independents and Democrats--he has amassed a very George Voinovich-like rating of 73. The longer he has been in Washington, the less conservative he has become. Is that the way to win a race all wrapped up in the idea of "change?"
You know... the report? That, um, report --- you know the one. That one. They reported it. In the report. Yup.
Remember -- 67.2% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
And that is aside from the fact that I will definitely vote against Clinton, Obama, or Edwards.
I understand the Captain's reasoning, and he makes a good case.
I hope he's right.
Last three ex-governors elected President = Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush.
My point exaclty, well once out of three aint bad i suppose
The tough part is that while I am comfortable with Romney if he does prevail in this process, I am dismayed at what the Romney campaign has done to the blogosphere.
From the transformation of Hugh Hewitt to a Romney infomercial to your cozying up with Hugh for a regular post just prior to breaking your word and endorsing Romney, to other places, I don't like this process at all.
If the MSM was being as blatantly highjacked by a campaign machine, we would talk of nothing else.
You guys in the blogosphere had a choice: to either balance between being conservative in general but non-agenda driven, or being just a conservative version of the MSM, except with a lot less infrastructure and depth.
I am sorry so many of you have picked the latter.
Second, I am going to vote, and the election does matter. There are no generalities about policy; if one wants to make a difference, one has to take a stand on specifics and on candidates. How does one become a non-agenda-driven conservative? It's a contradiction in terms. Isn't conservatism itself an agenda? Of course it is!
No one has hijacked any blog. Bloggers express their opinions freely and openly. That's what makes them different from the MSM; we don't hide our opinions and biases.
The success of your blog is a direct result of your personality, integrity, & character. Take those ingredients and mix them with a talent for writing, and you have a very good formula for success. I have enjoyed your blog for several years now, and remain thankful of your efforts & your willingness to share some of your personal life with a cyber space community that has grown up around you.
I applaud your decision to throw your support in the ring for Mitt Romney. I'll leave it at that. I'm in California visiting my ailing parents at the moment; driving back to Montana today. I just watched McCain on the Russert show. All I can say is "Go Mitt".....
Good luck with the family, shipmate.
I apologize for any implication I may have made questioning you over announcing your vote.
However, I do think that as far as the blogosphere goes, I do not believe I am alone in sensing a real change in the blogosphere. And the change I and others sense is not good.
Ed promised to let his readers know, he never said he wouldn't let us know who he was endorsing..
Have to agree with you about Hugh Hewitt though. That sight has turned into Romney advocacy 24/7.
I do find it interesting that three of the most influential hosts in talk radio have come out in support of three different candidates: Dennis Prager for Rudy, Michael Medved for McCain, and Hugh Hewitt...lesse... who was he supporting agin? =)
Huckabee was never an option for me. I went to the voting booth with Mitt, Fred and Rudy in mind, and I struggled up until I had to mark that circle, but at that point, I knew Mitt was in it for the long haul, that he was committed to this campaign, and committed to this country.
As a side note: The endorsements coming out for McCain are a strong rebuke to us..how dare we question the way things are run..When a liberal leaning media tells me that McCain is our best shot at beating the Democrats in 08', you better believe that McCain is anything but our best bet and anything but a conservative choice...JMO
Nobody in the MSM is talking about the fact that Christ is one of the supporters of McCain-Kennedy Amnesty, or who pushed for giving illegals drivers licenses so they can register to vote for the Dems.
And every time I see McCain with Little Lindsey Graham, I think about what they called Conservatives during the Immigration fight: "All you noisy people" "Chicken Sh#ts!" "Nativists" ect. Apparently they have been in Washington so long they have forgotten whose country this is--it's OURs!
McCain has learned a lot about spin from his senatorial friendships cultivated with the Dems. He is just not as practiced in the art as Madame Hillary.
Our prisons are busting at the seams with illegals, so the answer is early release of home grown violent criminals?
Local hospitals? How many are buckling in this country from the strain of servicing another countries problem..
I haven't a problem in the world with accepting new immigrants into this country. As long as they get in the back of the line, follow the proper procedures, and are not welfare bound from the moment that they get here.
Romney = zinch cross-over support.
that so called "liberal leaning media" is right in this case.
shooting yourselves in the foot.
fine by me since I ain't a Republican ;-).
Mitt Romney knows how to organize and motivate and he's clean (fingers crossed!).
Hillary is your girl. The country is tired of the Clintons.
Don't underestimate the polarizing power of the Clinton scumbags.
Is it that you know that when given a choice between Very Liberal Hillary, versus "Not so Liberal" McCain, that you know that most Americans will simply say they might as well vote for the real thing??
If so, I guess you have a point. However, I can see the grand plan.
the "l" is one row up, 2.5 keys to the right ....
Didn't you recently claim to be a libertarian? A libertarian who is a Democrat?
Given that you are a Democrat I can well understand your animosity towards Romney. He is clearly the class of the GOP field- though i have great affection and respect for Rudy. It's understandable that the MSM supports McCain. If the Democrat nominee is Hillary she will lose to eiither McCain or Romney but Obama will beat McCain in a young/fresh versus old/stale battle but he won't beat Romney who is just as energetic but brighter and has more life experience and success.
The national opinion polls mean nothing since most of those being polled have had little exposure to Romney. Once they are exposed to him in the course of an election campaign they will be won over.
Captain Ed's choice is that of an intelligent , fair minded, informed conservative with no ax to grind for any candidate. I'm not surprised that after carefully examining the platforms, resumes and personalities of each of the candidates that Captain Ed has has announced his support for Romney.
Yeah because Romney making milions while laying people off while Obama was workig in the streets of Chicago is going to play real well in Peoria.
Your snide remark is based on the old liberal saw that all success and profit (except, notably, the profits of George Soros or left-leaning Hollywood) are at the very least to be distrusted, and should probably be "redistributed" to those more "deserving" through confiscatory taxes. And still McCain supporters wonder why we conservatives harbor serious doubts about the senator's agenda!
I'm with the Cap'n on this: I took my time making up my mind about whom to support in the GOP field. None of them is perfect, this is not a "litmus test" race. But I finally came down to my top four being (in the stated order) Hunter, Thompson, Romney, and Giuliani. Since Hunter and Thompson are not going to go anywhere, I'm going with my third pick: Romney.
McCain has pissed me off far too many times, on too many issues, for him to receive my support. In fact, I only prefer him to Huckabee in the GOP field. I find it interesting that McCain and Huckabee are the darlings (depending on the day) of the MSM; but I can't believe that either one of them would have the MSM's fickle support in November.
"And still McCain supporters wonder why we conservatives harbor serious doubts about the senator's agenda!"
No clue what you are trying to get at here.
Over and over (and over, ad nauseam) again, McCain's glaring deficiencies have been pointed out to you on this blog. We have explained very carefully the reasons why we choose Governor Romney over Senator McCain. But you just shrug off our reasoning and call us sheep for daring to question the candidate you support.
So I have to agree with your reasoning? Is that it? I do not concur and I have mentioned my reasons. I do not trust Romney or believe him. And I have explained why. I have my reasons for voting for McCain, I have expressed these as well.
"Of course you wouldn't have a clue, you have bought into McCain's populist use of class-warfare tactics and don't have any problem with it."
Where did I mention any language of class warfare?
You have been nothing but rude to me with every post, I dont know what I did to offend you, but I am sorry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4&feat...
<http://tinyurl.com/ypmw2y>
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Mitt for me too. He won't beat Obama, perhaps, but will take HRC.
Thanks for the post. Good analysis. While not a McCain supporter, I'd take a little issue with your suggestion that Squadron command is not public "executive" experience. Guess I'd have to see how you define the word. McCain does have a serious lack of private sector experience to go along with his weakness on illegal immigration, first amendment etc.
So I'm sort of lost myself with this distinction. It isn't like we have a dictator (a person who's word is law) here.
So sometimes the CO is a dictator, and sometimes not.
But even when they are a dictator, I'm betting there's some form of "Sword of Damocles" dangling overhead.
Once, when one of my co-workers (contractor civilian) was flown aboard an aircraft carrier to check out equipment, a certain LTJG she encountered in a passageway demanded that she give way and salute him, and gave her a severe dressing down for failing to do so properly. She was in tears afterward, having no idea that civilians were supposed to salute anyone. This was her first day aboard and she had been invited to dine with the Captain that evening; she informed the Captain concerning the incident and the LTJG was immediately "called on the carpet" and required to apologize for his ill behavior toward her. He was further required to salute her whenever he encountered her in passing for the duration of her deployment. They became friendly thereafter, but he never forgot to salute.
Obviously, the Captain had indeed functioned as a dictator.
Do you remember his response in one of the earlier debates about how he would tackle an act of aggression towards America or American interests? He said that he would confer with the attorneys at his disposal as CiC.
At first, I dismissed the answer as a waffling. A deeper consideration led me to conclude that his answer was correct, for his options are limited by the Constitution.
Given the brouhaha of the second-guessers in the Democrat party and their repeated efforts to unearth some usurpation of extra-Constitutional power, he made the correct response. Mitt Romney would gather the best thinking/ thinkers and act decisively. (Do you remember John Kerry's dithering in his recollection of the events of 9/11?)
Just a quibble, skipper. No need to get up on your hind legs!! I've been there and I'll be the first one to agree that McCain’s "executive experience" at the Squadron level is not in the same league as Romney/Rudy’s time as Governor.
I voted in FL for Mitt after Fred dropped out.
Oddly this year does remind me of the Reagan vs Bush period .I was too young to vote but
I recall my parents going back and forth about who is more electable or
too wishy washee and they voted for Reagan.
Personally, I think that if Obama is the Dem nominee, he will utterly engulf Romney. Mitt won't even win his own state (though he'll certainly win some of the hardcore red states). I think that if the Republicans want to have a chance against Obama, they have to nominate McCain.
If Hillary is the nominee, it may be a different story. You guys should be rooting for her.
If Romney wins the GOP nomination he will have come out of nowhere to beat America's mayor and a war hero who was the overwhelming choice of the MSM.
Mitt Romney will be a great President.
"Mr. Obama, it's nice to offer up platitudes about 'change' and 'hope"...but what you have actually done in your half-term as a U. S. Senator to bring them about? And, by the way, can you explain why you merely voted 'present' nearly 130 times as a state senator?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/2...
I'd like to see a Romney-Thompson ticket come out of the Convention: experience with a large dash of 'gravitas.' The fact that Thompson is a respected Southerner with ties to both coasts, thanks to his acting career, certainly wouldn't hurt.
I think that the talk about "conservative values" is hurting the GOP. The conservative vocabulary is rooted in opposition to the New Deal and socialism but self-proclaimed conservatives have been in power for most of the last 25 years. Measuriing one's purism in opposition to hypothetical liberal policies rooted in the past is a waste of time. Liberals also have the same old rhetoric but even less substance. That is why the current political debate rings so hollow.
The first candidate to grab immigration, national security, health care and pension reform in a clear, innovative and substantive way can change the whole debate. That is the "change" that current candidates need to find. Newt Gingrich offered a dynamic view of conservatism in the Contract With America. Where is that kind of energy now?
I like your rubric (conservative values, executive experience, not vulnerable on the economy) and your assessment of the candidates. I vote in Virginia and can incorporate the Feb 5 results into my decision, but I am leaning to Mitt and detest McCain. In fact, it was only the SC Dem debate this week that convinced me that I would vote for McCain should he become the nominee. Anyone that entertains ideas of sitting out the general election because their guy doesn't get the GOP nod needs to watch a replay of the SC Dem debate.
Jeb Bush is the only man in Florida GOP that could change the GOP race. Rudy is a good man but he took a strategy that really was in doubt. He let his name go into the oblivion and it made him look like he could not compete. He hurt himself. He is great on Security and Taxes but those Social stands hurt him as well. Romney is classy and smart. He is the best of the group on the Economy. We need a non-Washington Insider to move the government to operate more efficiently and to shrink the size of the Washington establishment. Romney is tough and knows how to succeed and he is more in the Reagan mold than McCain. Romney knows he needs to cut taxes, enforce immigration laws, provide for a strong defense and national security and supports a family/value oriented America. He knows government is the problem and the best answer is American Liberty , Capitalism and Ideals. He will get my support and I am happy to see many Thompson Staff members moving to Romney's Campaign.
Gov Romney best asset is economic realization and he has been ahead of the pack for weeks, just look at the delegates he has.
Sen Thompsons only asset was conservatizim and thats it. He is too old to be VP...
But, since we're talking about ACU ratings at the moment... what was Senator McCain's rating for 2006, the last year for which ratings are available? Wow, can that be right? It says 65 right there on the ACU's website: <http://tinyurl.com/2u8n5f>
Actually, according to Federal statistics, the economic recovery started in March of 1991, or a year and a half before Clinton was elected. The mainstream media, in order to install a Dem in the White House, simply failed to report it.
Would you say the MSM were equally biased toward the Dems when they gave Reagan credit for the recovery of the mid-80s?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=...
As for them giving Reagan "credit" in the 1980s, you obviously missed that paper's resident looney, former Enron advisor Paul Krugman, who tried to debunk Reagan's mid-80s recovery just a few days ago. Likewise, in 1984, Krugs' paper was still screaming doom and gloom
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res...
Here's Krug's piece from last week. Enjoy!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/21/opinion/21kru...
Then I point out we are painfully understaffed because we can't find people to fill the slots we have open and the traffic continues to get worse at rush hour every week.
It seems to make them wonder how the economy can be so bad after all...
Of course, I'm going with Romney too. Of course, he'll probably screw us over on shamnesty, but oh well.
Good pick, Captain !!
With your endorsement ....now I know I am on the right track !!
Frankly, forget about the issues for a few moments. I do not think that Romney has the personality to win against a Democrat. Should that matter? Of course not. Yet, what should matter and what does are frequently not at all one and the same.
While we of course weigh all the Republican possibilities, the bottom line should be: can this candidate win? If it's Rudy, I think "yes." If it is not - particularly if it's Romney - I am worried.
The fat lady has not yet sung for Rudy! Don't give up on him!
Polls would have had Kerry winning an election in 2004.
McCain has a big name, being a celebrity, for his anti-Conservative liberal placation as a Senator.
Again, the National Poll numbers are simply based on a small number of Americans, sampled from the massive population.
It is often simply a game of Name Recognition...
It happens all the time, and until the Nominees are selected, the GOP Convention is held, the first Debate is offered in the General, most 'celebs' in our politics will hold a winning poll number.
However, once any GOP Candidate is given the high profile, this will change.
For example, if your suggestion were accurate, Rudy G would be the Republican Nominee from long ago, because he once held the lead over Hillary in a generic National Poll.
This is of course silly...
The McCain, who was aided by liberals in NH and SC, cannot win without their help in the GOP Primary (or has not demonstrated as such yet).
The reality is, those Liberal Independents, and even Partisan Democrats, who are helping McCain in the Primary, most likely will NOT be voting for him when he faces a Democrat.
Sure some will, but the large Conservative base will probably be uninspired and their lack of turn out will offset any independent Democrat gains McCain could add in the General.
Romney has been strongly opposed by the Globe, the Monitor, the Register, etc., for a serious reason.
The liberals fear his General Election challenge...
He is that impressive, especially because he fails to fit the stereotype Liberals often employ to destroy their opposition.
Romney has as good a chance than anyone, being a successful outsider, especially seeing how competitive he is in the West, and East...
McCain has been in the Senate for 24 years, and is cannot possibly offer any 'change' of any kind.
And what is wrong with not wanting McCain to be the nominee?
I'm concerned about Mitt's electablility, and have been hoping that McCain and Mitt would strike up a relationship during the campaign process that would lead to a McCain/Romney ticket, with McCain taking the lead on foreign policy, Iraq, Afghanistan, and giving Romney a larger than normal impact on the economy. McCain as Commander-in-Chief and Romney as Chief Executive. I think it's a ticket that could pull a lot of independents in, as well as hold down the Conservative fort. McCain would, admittedly, have to pull in some strong "social issue" conservatives for Cabinet positions, and make some of those choices known during the general election race to satisfy social conservative voters. I think he'd also have to make some strongly conservative campaign promises to those on the Right who are justifyably concerned about his more recent voting record on some of the issues he has made over the years since GWB was elected.
McCain is old, and the younger Romney would be both capable to step in should McCain's age become an issue, or develop for 4-8 years in office regarding his foreign policy, as well as continue to become more a household name, potentially becoming a very strong candidate for the top office after McCain.
Thanks again for the transparency and reasoning in your choice, and may the best person win. I could support McCain, Mitt, Guiliani or Huckaby vs. either Obama or Hillary, in that order.
I think McCain is thinking that this election should be like most Republican elections--the oldest dog gets the tip of the hat. It worked really well when we nominated Dole, didn't it?
McCain is a trecherous senile old man who can't be relied upon to take consistent positions. Mavericks are sometimes a good thing; (See Newt Gingrich as gadfly for the Republicans) but usually make lousy Leaders (See Newt Gingrich as Speaker for the Republicans).
As for Captain Ed taking a position - I prefer someone who will tell you where he stands rather than sneak around hinting at it.
And concerning all of the noise Democrats are making about how they want Romney more than any other GOP candidate - it reminds me a bit of how Democrats could not wait to run against Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Considering the meltdown the Democrats are experiencing because of decades of race-baiting for political gain, perhaps they need to fix their own badly leaking boat before they set out to sink someone else's.
Now we may have surpassed the Banana Republics afterall!Cross Media Newspapers/radio/TV/cable,
I expect this comment to also disappear within the hour. God Bless the original forefathers idealism. Joe
I suppose that's one of the benefits or curses of being a registered independent in a state with closed primaries. I'm still not close to a final decision, but then I don't have to be until November.
I think that either McCain or Romney would make a good president. It is too bad the primaries have turned ugly, we need to stand together, not tear each other apart.
The one thing everyone fails to address in all these discussions of promises by these candidates made to "stop illegals" or "change the tax system" or "appoint conservative judges" is the fact that the Congress is now in Democrat hands. You can, as president, demand Congress do a lot of things but if you do not control Congress, they will do nothing of the sort. You can appoint all the judges you want but a congress controlled by the other side will never approve them. You can demand a fence be built on the border but Congress will never authorize the funds. Sure, you can veto bills, but do that too many times and the American public will turn its back on you as confrontative. That in itself may not be a bad thing if you had the intestinal fortitude to be able to openly and vociferously defend your decisions or if you were a charismatic enough LEADER but neither of these two Republicans will not and are not. Remember, one of them already sleeps with the enemy (McCain), the other compromises with them (Romney.)
I agree with Rush...either do not vote, write in a candidate or vote Democrat. That way when things go south after '09, we can blame the democrats for the mess. With a republican in office and things going south, no matter how much of it is the fault of the Congress that won't work with the President, it will be the President who will be blamed.
What we need to keep in mind is that it's the United States of America we're talking about here, not your favorite sports team. Placing the country in the hands of the Dems for any length of time is a recipe for catastrophe. I really won't care who gets the blame if the land I love is ruined beyond repair.
...we face a tough election if the economy turns south, even mildly. We saw this in 1992 and lost when Bill Clinton successfully convinced people that he had the best ideas for a turnaround.
While it was the election of "Its the economy, stupid", it was also the election of "Giant Sucking Sound" Ross Perot. Absent Perot, Bush41 might well have been re-elected.
I can support Romney, but I confess that I'm not terribly enthused. His sop to Michigan voters that he'd bring back the auto industry jobs had me wondering two things: Just how? and Pander much, Mitt?
Personally, it won't make much difference for me here in Arizona. McCain is going to win no matter who I vote for (Other than a few "Mitt" yard-signs in my very Mormon Mesa, I've seen virtually no Republican campaigning for our primary only 8 days away now). For the primary, I think I'm still going to mark my ballot for Fred. Call it my "None of the Above" vote.
However for the general election, I'll mark it for whichever R gets to the top.
Domestically, Romney is equally a fraud and a liberal dressed up to look like a conservative. Undoubtedly, he would not have been elected in MA if he was actually conservative. He raised taxes, did nothing to reduce the size of gov't and introduced employer financed universal healthcare in MA. As for immigaration, while conservatives say Mccain is for amnesty dejure, Romney practiced amnesty de-facto. He did nothing to combat illegal immigration in MA. Additionally,he is a supporter of abortion and appoint those who think prision is a revolving door.. Romney's only conservative credentials is not his record but his ability to lie and utter some conservative rhetoric to the right audiences. Not surprisingly, this can convince the National review crowd but it shouldn't convince true conservatives. If someone wants to suport him for not being John McCain, so be it but there is no conservative reason to support Mitt Romney. He is an oppotunist who can not be trusted, unprincipled , JohnKerry and Bill clinton rolled into one.
I have to admit that I am becoming fed up with the misrepresentations and utter lies being spewed by you McCain wingnuts. And if you must lie like this, please learn at least a modicum of English spelling and grammar. I keep having to blink as I read your diatribe, because it is difficult not to imagine the flecks of foam spraying from your mouth onto your monitor with every character you type.
Just because you say that McCain is more conservative than Romney does not make it so. You apparently skip reading things that might challenge your world view, so I will refer again to this post: <http://tinyurl.com/yssjdq>
Romney is not the only one with a record to be judged. McCain's record speaks volumes about his avowed disdain for the conservative core of the Republican party. I would not support Mr. McCain for the nomination because of any one of several of the shenanigans he has pulled as a senator. How about McCain-Fiengold, or the "Incumbent Protection Act of 2002"? Does limiting free speech, especially political speech, sound particularly conservative to you? It certainly doesn't to me.
Stipulating all of this, Senator McCain would certainly have my vote if he is the GOP candidate in November. I just can't understand how he could have any expectation of my loyalty in the primary when he has betrayed my trust so shamefully, so often.
You are of course entitled to your opinions, but I read your comments and the endorsement essay. Captain Ed has the better of it.
1. ignore everything McCain has done.
2. ignore everything Romney has done.
that is a classic...
well done...
squid ?
you should take a big step back, cause you simply are not seeing it correctly.
I have followed McCain for 8 years and have been following Romney since he became gov.
I am not an idiot and I made a reasoned choice, not everyone thinks that the sun rises and sets on the exact set of beliefs held by you or the blowhards in the talkeratzi.
Please, is there a "conservative database" where I can sit down and read what are conservative principles and what are not.
Don't worry, the shepherds will be back to bring you into the pen soon.
1. Reduced Government
2. Reduced taxation
3. National defense
4. Immigration control
5. 2nd amendment gun rights
6. Strict constructionism in relation to the Constitution
7. The belief in the American "Culture" (versus multiculturism)
8. A belief in the benefit of the nuclear family (vs. Hillary's socialist 'village" concept)
9. The belief in freedom OF religion, rather than freedom FROM religion.
Those are some, although I am sure some will mention many more.
There are many iterations of "conservatism"
My "affilitation is quite clear...I am a libertarian minded conservative.
I voted for John McCain.
I did not necessarily concur with McCain-Feingold.
I agreed that Pres Bush Tax cuts were done incorrectly with no consideration for spending.
I believe in reducing the size of gov't, apparently no one in the Republican Party does anymore though.
I supported the "Amnesty" bill, in the same way that Regan supported "amnesty", you can say you will deport illegals till the cow come home, but it will not happen. Amnesty with STRICT border enforcement (perhaps even a moratorium on all immigration for a time) is the right answer. Fine and the back of the line with a requirement to learn English.
2nd amendment I am pretty clear on.
I am very much a constructionalist.
I believe in .family.
As for the last point, I think most of the right goes WAY overboard about religion, but that does not make me a "liberal" except in the sense that both American parties are technically "liberal".
There is no repository of what conservatives are "supposed" to believe. I am a conservative but I dont follow the dittoheads and hannitized into the sheep pen at night.
any conservative knows the tax cuts were essential to grow the economy, which eventually increases revenue...
besides, after 24 years in the Senate, John McCain did NOTHING to stop spending or reform PORK.
you could not be more mistaken, backing an aged Senator, who is peddling global warming diatribe.
very regretful, and now Senator McCain is being dishonest about Romney's expression on Iraq.
Senator McCain is a huge disappointment.
and his Campaign Finance reform is a disaster.
Dont get me started on Global Warming. That is NOT I repeat NOT part of
the "reequired beliefs" of the conservative movement.
Responsible tax cuts should ALWAYS be accompanied by a reduction in
the size of govt, isnt that one of the "sacred" principles you so espouse.
yes they will "eventually"increase revenue. But until then, it is irreasponsible to
just cut taxes and keep on spending like nothing happened.
Man-Made Global Warming is a religion for those without religion, and underpins many of the liberals' "progressive" plans for the country and the world. The theory is without scientific merit, and is only supported by sheepish scientists who see it as a source of continual revenue and politicians who wish to use it as justification to tax us back to the Stone Age.
As a conservative, I believe that *all* governments should be limited in power... not just ours. I want to see the UN empowered to combat Global Warming even less than I want to see American bureaucrats handed that same power.
Now, about tax cuts: reasonable tax cuts are *never* a bad thing. Bush's tax cuts, just like every tax cut before them, actually resulted in more real federal government revenues, not less. Would I have liked to have seen spending curtailed at the same time? Sure. But that is no reason to refuse tax cuts that will help keep spending within the budget.
I cannot, of course, read Mr. McCain's mind. I can only guess as to his intent, or why he voted against the Bush tax cuts. But my strong, educated (by Mr. McCain's past behavior) suspicion is that he was mostly grinding a personal political ax against President Bush. That's the kind of grudge-holding and political maneuvering that I don't want anywhere near the White House.
It is if you believe that responsible environmental stewardship USED to be something we took pride in.
Grandpa was generally contemptuous of those who cast themselves as "environmentalists", and he taught me to not blindly accept shifting conventional wisdom. He did great work, especially in protecting rangelands, and was awarded many honors for his efforts.
But Grandpa knew a scam when he saw it, and he never hesitated to point one out. He knew, right from the start, that Man-Made Global Warming was a hoax, and he told me so. That I had already come to the same conclusion was a point of pride for him -- it meant that he had taught me right.
I'm not the only one thinking for myself on this issue, willing to look past the spin offered in the MSM: <http://tinyurl.com/33cjom>
I am a computer engineer by profession, so I have an intimate understanding of the GIGO rule: Garbage In, Garbage Out. What Michael Mann did was not only junk science, it was criminally irresponsible. But all of the pro-Man-Made Global Warming folks use Dr. Mann's research to this day in their arguments.
Your underhanded poke at me, implying that I am not a responsible steward of our environment because I don't believe in Man-Made Global Warming (or even its toned-down cousin, Climate Change), just doesn't hold water. It was a feeble attempt to label me as a heretic, and only ended up making you look foolish.
the burden of proof is squarely on your shoulders at this point. Would you care to try to prove that Man-Made Global Warming is anything more than a hoax intended to usurp power for the environmental elite?
Oh, and I noticed that you didn't care to comment (once again) on my problems with McCain's lack of support for tax cuts. Hmmmm.
We disagree on what constitutes a giant hoax.
"Grandpa was generally contemptuous of those who cast themselves as "environmentalists", and he taught me to not blindly accept shifting conventional wisdom. He did great work, especially in protecting rangelands, and was awarded many honors for his efforts."
Well that is good, and I admire him for his efforts it is rare these days to see service like that.
"But Grandpa knew a scam when he saw it, and he never hesitated to point one out. He knew, right from the start, that Man-Made Global Warming was a hoax, and he told me so. That I had already come to the same conclusion was a point of pride for him -- it meant that he had taught me right."
Other scientists would disagree, I am no scientist, so I must analyze their findings and make my own decision. I came to a different conclusion, maybe I wasn't "taught right" as you are implying, but you can think what you like.
"Your underhanded poke at me, implying that I am not a responsible steward of our environment because I don't believe in Man-Made Global Warming"
It was never meant that way but apparently yous skin is quite thin judging by your other posts.
"the burden of proof is squarely on your shoulders at this point. Would you care to try to prove that Man-Made Global Warming is anything more than a hoax intended to usurp power for the environmental elite?"
We can spend all day exchanging research and sites. I am not going to waste everyone elses time on the board. We can discuss it on e-mail if you would like. My address is on the blog linked to my name.
"Oh, and I noticed that you didn't care to comment (once again) on my problems with McCain's lack of support for tax cuts. Hmmmm."
Ok Mr. Snarky :) I agreed with opposing the tax cuts on the grounds of lack of spending cuts accompanying it. I know those were not the reasons McCain mentioned at the time, so I disagreed with his initial reasons, however the lack of spending cuts is the reason I opposed them at the time, I saw Bush's drunken spending spree back then and was very displeased.
BTW, which of the principles listed by harleycon5 do you apparently consider to be the Johnny-come-latelies to the conservative movement? I have to ask, I'm truly curious.
We also used to be the party AGAINST nation building, remember?
This is exactly the point of my objections to Senator McCain: he does not represent the conservative principles that I look to the Republican Party to support. Period. End of story.
Yes, the Republican Party used to be isolationist. But the US can no longer afford to turn its back on the world. To do so now would be pure suicide. If Ronald Reagan had been isolationist in nature, we would still be dealing with the USSR and the Soviet Bloc. I, for one, am very happy that we are not.
Thank you for that patronizing history lesson, but I am glad to see that you can admit that a party can admit that it is wrong and change it policies.
BTW Speaking of questions, what is your opinion of my earlier points about the Regan amnesty and McCain amnesty?
See: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/opinion/15bar...
The only thing between me, and picking up the Mitt flag, is Rudy. So, not that much it looks like. I'll do it, I'll support MItt, but I won't like it. I think McCain is the more honest man, but I don't agree with him enough.
I began to lean towards Romney after I read his book “Turnaround” which is his story of the SLC Olympics. This was a feat behind the ability of anyone but a small handful of supremely talented professionals. When I looked at his record as Gov of MA, I could see the same talented hands at work in an environment so hostile to conservatives.
For a long time however I flirted with Rudy because of the elect ability factor. Having researched the history and trends of head-to-head polls, I am convinced that the current polling in favour of McCain is a fool’s paradise. McCain came into the race as a nationally known figure and the MSM media have (in my opinion deliberately) kept his profile high to pump him up as their preferred candidate. McCain is too old, too angry, too entrenched in Washington and too hostile to the GOP base to ever govern as a Reagan conservative. Huckabee to me was always a liberal who happened to be socially conservative and his campaign convinced me he wasn’t ready for the big time. Fred was very attractive at first but lacked the fire in the belly.
The final clincher for me was hearing from a friend in the campaign about Romney’s on-the-ground effort and knowing this was replicated in all the key states and that he had the money to go all the way against the Dems. Always listen to what your enemies say about you and your competition, anyone the NY Times or MSM commentators fawn over in the GOP is code for me to vote for whoever is that candidate’s most obvious and successful opponent and that will tell you who they would really rather not face. The MSM used Huckabee as a foil first and now McCain or, in reality, anybody but Mitt – that speaks volumes about who they fear the most.
McCains written some good books too, I reccomend Character is Destiny, a good one to read with your kids.
you know Liberals are big on McCain...
is that your position?
you know Liberals are big on McCain...
is that your position?"
What the hell does that have to do with an excellent book written by McCain.
mmmm, you know there are some conservatives big on McCain too, I know it is a news flash to you.
I was merely reccomending a book, if you are asking if it is my position that "Character is Destiny" the answer is yes. If you are asking if i am a liberal, the answer is no.
I'm also interested in why familiarity with the biggest issue facing the President, foreign policy, appears nowhere in your decision-making process. Certainly inexperience with foreign policy was a major problem for Bill Clinton (who did have executive experience); his immediate blunders in Somalia were a direct result of his lack of knowledge in the arena. Certainly this is a way in which a Republican candidate (I am a McCain supporter, to acknowledge my bias) could have a major advantage over both Obama and Clinton.
He will go into a General Election pledging to be 'civil', as Hillary and the Dems keep pounding him and pounding him.
Looking at the number of people voting for Democrats versus Republicans in the nomination contests so far, I am beginning to believe this is all a mute point.
Obviously you haven't looked at Romney's actual record of accomplishments. Mute is what one would prefer a person to be who relies on talking points rather than real research.
I have to say after hearing the clip of the interview on NARN on Saturday that I have to concur with the endorsement. I have too many issues with McCain and Huckabee and I just don't think that Giuliani will gain traction between now and Feb. 5.
LL
Were you aware that McCain attacked Mitt first? McCain had been attacking Mitt in his stump speeches for a long time before Mitt said anything bad about McCain. In fact, in one of the debates the moderator asked Romney about the attacks McCain had been making and Romney replied, "he's my friend." But McCain kept it up.
That was June 5, 2007!
Below is the transcript excerpt. I hope you will read it!
(Begin Transcript)
BLITZER: Thank you, Mayor.
I want to get to Senator McCain in a moment, but first, Governor Romney, Senator McCain has accused you of flip-flopping on this issue, in effect.
Yesterday in Miami, he said the following: "Pandering for votes on this issue while offering no solution to the problem amounts to doing nothing. And doing nothing is silent amnesty."
What do you say to Senator McCain?
ROMNEY: Well, he's my friend. He campaigned for me two times. I consider him a friend. I'm not going to make this a matter of personal politics. It's an issue that's way too important for that.
My view is that we should enforce our immigration laws.
And this bill, unfortunately, has at least one provision that's a real problem. It's the Z visa.
And what it allows is people who have come here illegally to stay here for the rest of their lives -- not necessarily as citizens; they have to wait 13 years to become citizens. That's not the point.
The point is: Every illegal alien, almost every one, under this bill, gets to stay here. That's not fair to the millions and millions of people around the world that would love to come here, join with family members, bring skill and education that we need.
It's simply not fair to say those people get put ahead in the line of all the people who've been waiting legally to come to this country.
(End Transcript)
Remember, the z-visa was not in the 2005 bill (the one Romney called "reasonable"). The z-visa is the main problem Romney has with the 2007 bill, as he explains in the transcript. So, again, when you look at the details you can see that he did not flip-flop on the issue.
Here's another blatant McCain lie on the issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G07tkPDcqa0
At most Romney can only win on the basis that Bush did and only on the basis that he can carry the South, Mountain West, the farm states and Ohio. McCain gives an opportunity to go beyond that. Because of the Republican problems in Ohio, I do not think Romney can pull it off.
I do not like Romney personally. I do not believe he has any core beliefs. (at least 3 different opinions on abortion). If you nominate him, you elect him. I will vote for him, so I cannot be denied a seat at the table when we have to pick up the pieces. I will not do one stitch of work for him. I worked almost everyday for Bush in 2004. I am 64 and I am not wasting my time on someone I do not like and do not think can win.
Romney will just be Bush lite. I love Bush. Was big supporter. The public turned against him at the time of Katrina. The war is not the problem. If it was, his popularity would be going up. But with the Katrina response, the public turned on him. Romney only offers more of the same. The public will not accept it. He can talk change all he wants, but McCain is the only one that can actually convince the public.
You better tell your fellow Romney supporters to stop saying they will not vote for McCain, if he is nominated. If they keep it up, I may change my mind and not vote for him. If Obama is the nominee I also may vote for Obama, just to kick the Republican establishment in the face. So tell them to stop.
All these pure Republicans, who say McCain is not a conservative, would probably say Goldwater was not a conservative, when he died. He supported abortion rights and agreed with McCain on not reducing taxes without reducing spending. Laughable, but true.
The reducing spending mantra is a new addition to his "straight talk"-- a sort of flip-flop, if you will.
Besides, considering the provisions of the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill for illegals, he would have increased spending through social protections for scofflaws.
Good point and post!
by choosing romney, the repubs are ceding the future of iraq to the dems because romney is not as strong in iraq, foreign policy and national security. in fact, among the three main candidates in florida--mccain, rudy, mitt--- romney is the weakest in those three categories.
by choosing romney, the repubs are ceding the future of iraq to the dems because romney is not as strong in iraq, foreign policy and national security. in fact, among the three main candidates in florida--mccain, rudy, mitt--- romney is the weakest in those three categories.
McCain is just too old for the job, sorry to say it.
Guiliani and the others are falling behind.
Romney is a good man, and I respect someone who has had a stable marriage for as long as he has.
In the end the idea is to pick a good man and then support him. I don't believe McCain could rally enough Republican support to win the election. Romney could.
We are, at the end of the day, a pragmatic party.
Republicans will vote for the most electable candidate--and that is John McCain.
The GOP knows that is in tough in November. Both houses of Congress are all but lost. The fight for the WH will likely be against the Clintons--the most devious and the most formidable couple the world has seen. Democrats are motivated and their fundraising coffers are full.
Who do we nominate to stand against them? It is clearly McCain. He pulls from the centre of the electorate. The same reasons he is being eviscerated by Fox News and Talk Radio are why he is popular around the country.
And it is not just the White House---hundreds upon hundreds of elections are held at the state and local level which are not covered nationally. Who do they want as their standard bearer? A experienced war-hero or a flip-flopper with good managerial skills?
Electability is why hundreds of Florida officials from the state and county level have endorsed McCain. It's why the two most influential GOP politicians in the state--Sen. Martinez and Gov. Crist--both endorsed him. It's why former Secretary of State Howard Baker came into the camp from the Fredheads. The establishment is embracing McCain because it senses a winner.
McCain will be good for the long term health of the party because he will help us defend against the coming storm.
That's why he will win. The GOP will do what's in its best interests.
McCain would be the worst candidtae to put up against anyone, and he cannot even run a primary campaign, so it is no wonder no one would trust him with a country . . .
CLINTONS = GIULIANIS if you don't like the one you cannot love the other.
Let's support MITT ROMNEY, the most accomplished, energetic, decent, intelligent, photogenic, educated of all the candidates. (bonus: wonderful wife and family - no scandals!!!)
An all around competent person. We'll have a respected leader on the world stage.
Which also innately means he knows that Govt has little to do with the economy and the economic cycle outside of spending, tax policies and free trade.
Yet, he has the typical huckster pandering politician instinct of telling the people of Michigan that he will fight very hard to bring their jobs back
(and just HOW will you do THAT, Willard????, your entire business life has been about eliminating jobs in places like Michigan and moving them to more "efficient" places)
I expect an uninformed voter to get taken in by the huckster Romney, but not someone like you, Sir.
he's tried to outtancerdo, Tancredo
he's tried to outBush Bush (I'll build 2 Guantanmos!)
he's tried to outHuckabee Huckabee (No freedom without religion)
and NOW he is outObamaing Obama (Washington is broken and I am the change agent)
How far will the man go? as far as it takes. If Bill and HIlary Clinton and John Kerry had a threesome and produced a "love child", his name would be Willard Romney.
If I have to vote for him at the point of a gun, I will ask you to pull the trigger.
You are standing at and staring into the very edge of an electoral abyss.
(and deservedly so given your "record" of the past 8 years at Presidential and 12 years at Congressional levels)
hello Rick Santorum? Hello Tom de Lay?
then there's Bill Frist, the renowned physician who gave us his great diagnosis on Terry Schiavo from a piece of videotape. Has his medical license been revoked yet?
stop using stupid monikers like MSM and RINO and other troglodyte acronyms.
You need every single vote, especially of someone like me.
or else you can be happy with crashing and burning at the 40% ceiling and staying true to your "troglodyte err. "conservative" roots)
either way, suits me just fine.
Although McCain is not, admittedly, the Second Coming of Ronaldus Magnus, McCain clearly and steadfastly embraces our 2nd Amendment Rights and unequivocally states he opposes bans on so-called "assualt weapons", high-capacity magazines, ammunition, etc.
To paraphrase the immortal words of Mr. B. Franklin, don't be to hasty to trade security for Liberty!
I've been a fan for a while but this is my first post. I applaud your reasoning to arrive at Romney. My perspective is a bit different because I have been a life-long (since a teenager) Republican Party apparatchik, so I signed on with Fred Thompson at the first hint he would run, because, as you said, he was the closest to the Conservative Ideal. When Fred left I began to move to Romney. Your reasoning that Mitt is the strongest Conservative candidate to go against the Dem nominee is persuasive. I would cynically add that we are sadly at the point that only self-financed candidates can capture the inside track in a multi-candidate field. The 22 state Super Tuesday hurdle in FEBRUARY is absurd. McCain, Huck and Rudy can only cross their fingers. Mitt can make any media buy he needs.
But, I do disagree with you about McCain and Huckabee. This is also related to your other post about Peggy Noonan’s column. You might recall this was not Peggy’s first piece to excoriate Bush as a party leader. On June 1st in another WSJ column, “Too Bad” she said the same thing, “What President Bush is doing, and has been doing for some time, is sundering a great political coalition.” My point is that both McCain and Huckabee are Bush-style Big Government Conservatives (the term Compassionate Conservative just hides the truth) who will do nothing but continue the sundering if either became president. Like you, if nominated, I will support either, but, unlike you, not without reservation. The election of either would result in the continued disappearance from the coalition of Independent Conservative and Populist voters and disastrous losses for us for two or three elections.
Honestly, though, I think McCain might win, but only because the Dems are proving once again to be, Dukakis-like, inept and politically tone deaf, while Huckabee would be chewed up and spit out by the MSM giving the Dem nominee a narrow victory. This latter result would give us a chance to rebuild the majority conservative coalition that exists in the electorate while the Dems turn everybody off by enacting a massive socialist agenda and allowing the pre-Bush tax rates to revert to law in 2010. They aren’t smart enough to recognize they will lose the middle class in the process.
Your criticism of Peggy is wrong in one part but right in another. It’s true that Bush ran as a Compassionate Conservative and we knew he was different. The Weekly Standard did an important cover story in October 1999 arguing that both Bush AND McCain were CCs and out to remake the party. But, you failed to mention that Bush also promised to cut spending along with taxes, thereby mollifying we Reaganites and bringing us to the polls. Then Bush betrayed us on that key tenant and never cut spending. You are right that part of the blame lies with the Republican Congress. But a president is in a unique position to fix that sort of thing by showing leadership. Just imagine: Do you think Ronald Reagan would have allowed a Republican Congress to spend money like drunken sailors for SIX years without ever wielding the veto pen?
Independent Conservatives and Populists vote for Republican Presidential Nominees for exactly the belief that they will keep the Congress in check. This is why we’re losing their votes.
The foregoing begs the question of why we didn’t fire Bush in ’04. The answer is that we are still a royalist party (as John Buckley famously said) and we were loath to throw him out at a critical stage of the war. But once it was clear nothing would change, we lost the ’06 elections leaving us free to debate how to rebuild a winning Conservative Coalition in a post-Bush world.
On that point, I recently imagined a statement my guy, Thompson, could have delivered at the Florida debate, but he didn’t stick around. So, I would suggest it for Mitt. It is designed to distinguish him from McCain and Huckabee, AND from Bush, and to point to a future that is free of the mistakes that have upset so many of our voters. It goes like this: “In a Romney administration there will be no McCain-Feingolds, there will be no earmarks, there will be no McCain-Kennedys, there will be no Amnesty, there will be no Harriet Miers, there will be no budget-busting prescription drug benefits, we will repeal No Child Left Behind and the Department of Education, we will balance the budget and cut spending and taxes, and we will build that fence on the border and make American citizenship valuable again.”
All the polls say our electorate is quite fluid, many making up their minds at the last minute. I would bet that statement would give Mitt five points in the polls and he would be on track to wrap up the nomination on February 5th.
Willard AKA Mitt’s statement about the timetable is doublespeak. We need a timetable but keep is secret. That way he can say he supported a timetable and didn’t. Who in their right mind would think it’s possible to have that secret? Even considering a timetable is a losing war strategy that will lead to surrender.
This is just another Mittism like his answer in the debate about catastrophic insurance. He said he supported a national program but not if someone in Iowa pays for a loss in FL. Is he serious? This is another one where he flips mid-sentence so he supports it and doesn’t at the same time.
Americans are tired of this dishonesty. This is not a conservative or republican value. Mitt is loose with the truth, wants to be on every side of every issue, and says whatever he needs to get elected. This is his track record all the way back to 1994. If he is the nominee he will be torn to shreds with his own words and record.
Oh, and for those swayed by fake testimonials… I used to support Mitt, I really like his hair, he looks so Presidential, and he says things that make me feel good, maybe he will tell us all how to make money like he did. But this last reminder (Timetable) that he wants to surrender really has me switching to McCain. He is the only one who can lead us from day one as Commander is Chief.
Go Johnny Go…
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008...
Go there and see how Willard made millions. Sheesh. Elect him, he will outsourse all our jobs to Bengalore and sell off all our assets. Thanks,
Which means as a businessman he would be the first to cut those inefficient Michigan auto jobs yet he was in Michigan as a candidate pandering and LYING promising to fight those jobs back.
He knows better than anyone ELSE that those jobs are lost jobs.
The pandering never stops.
btw.. how many people really know economics?
and knowing economics, how many people (stupidly) believe that the govt, and especially the President can really affect the Economy?
more Romney spin. I expect such things from the Democrats..
but then, as noted, if Hilary, Bill and John Kerry had a threesome, Willard would be their "love child".
Unfortunately, of the three leaders for the nomination, he has *by far* the worst record on this issue, a reliable touchstone for someone's attitudes towards liberty.
The fact that he'd likely be an effective executive makes that all the worse....
Anyway, it's very unclear to me that he can lose that much of the conservative base and still win, unless he's going up against Hillary! Regardless, it will be a cold day in the underworld before I vote for another gun-grabber, I think Bush (who in *deeds* has been relentlessly anti-gun) has shown the futility of "the lessor of two evils" approach.
it's not my fault that the dork has a dorky name.
he says things like "who let the dogs out, woof woof" with some young black kids.. what a dork
how about "patria o muerte" when pandering to Miami Cubans (nice one Willards, that's Castro's slogan... hahahahahhahahahahahaah)
btw.. all the people who comment about "sticking fingers in the eyes of v conservatives".
WHEN are the "conservatives" going to stand up and look at themselves in the MIRROR??
wasn't the Contract With America the premier "conservative manifesto"?
How many republicans have lived up to the contract with america?
what happened to small govt?/federalism?) (terry shiavo?)
what happened to Tip O Neill drunken sailor like SPENDING?
Hello?
Maybe McCain is CORRECT in throwing some stones and sticking some sticks into very very guilty eyes.
Face up to your pathetic failures over the last 12 years in the mirror... or live in your little delusionary worlds, and face crushing failure in the decade(s) to come
(until the Dems screw things up the same way you've screwed them up)
hey.. how many spending bills did Georgie Boy veto in the first 6 years of his presidency?
I agree that Rudy's star has faded in this race and that he has effectively taken himself out of the race. I wish it were otherwise, because I think that the best situation we could face at this point would be a close race between Romney and Rudy. I like Rudy because of what he has done. But I also think he's squandered his opportunity, much like Fred, and is no longer a serious contender for the nomination.
Huckabee seems to be a nice-enough guy, but he's out of his depth in this. He is a one-issue candidate, and his issue is the least critical from a presidential perspective. On issues like economics and defense, he doesn't register on the meter.
McCain was a war hero, and I love me some war heroes, but he has betrayed conservatism so many times, mocked conservatives so many times, and slandered conservatives so many times that I cannot in good conscience throw my support behind him, regardless of "electability" calculus. McCain is generating enough support to be competitive in a three-to-four many race, but that support is his ceiling within the Republican party. Yes, most of us will most likely vote for him if he gets the nomination. At least with McCain there is a chance he will get some things right. But he is a hold-your-nose candidate for a conservative, and I'm not cynical enough to pretend otherwise.
So, in the end, Mitt Romeny is the only acceptable choice we have. I wish he didn't come off with such Max Headroom glibness sometimes, and I wish he weren't so ready to pander. Those are legitimate concerns and objections I think. Still, he has the right positions on the vast majority of the issues, and there is no doubt in my mind that he is a decent, admirable person. Yeah, I like gritty and tough-minded heroes who exhibit a Bruce Willis-like attitude and determination, but mugging for the cameras and never missing a microphone isn't the same thing.
Good call Captain. I made the same one the day after Fred threw in the towel.
No, I've never been to Gitmo. So... what? I've been to the Arctic and stood on glaciers... have you? Didn't think so., so shut the heck up about your melting ice and dying polar bears.
You say waterboarding is torture, plain and simple. That's a lot more efficient than actually making an argument to support it. I happen to disagree, but if you threaten to show up with your with friends in front of my house and waterboard each other in protest, I may relent.
Yes I have, actually, and I did not stand on a glacier because I was on a Naval vessel goign through and area that had been charted as an ice sheet for hundreds of years
but now has almost no ice at all. Just because you "stood on a glacier" does not make it right.
But nice straw man attempt since I did not mention Global Warming in the previous
post.
Also Willard has mentioned Global Warming too...if it is a myth why talk about it at all.
" so shut the heck up "
classy
"You say waterboarding is torture, plain and simple. That's a lot more efficient than actually making an argument to support it."
The fact that it crosses the line in the army field manual is more than enough for me
its kind of like pornography, "I know it when I see it" I would think that the burden of proof would lie with the people arguing that it IS NOT torture, since the guidlines list acceptable forms it would seem that the person advocating for something not listed there would need to cough up some reasons.
Have you actually ever served in the Armed Forces?
Have you ever actually been shot at?
Have you ever been taken prisoner and tortured?
I'm going to guess NOT, just another wannabe chickenhawk "tough guy", so you'll forgive me for taking the word of an ACTUAL tough guy and prisoner of war on what constitutes what, ok?
I actually also think in many ways Al Ghrain was much ado about nothing (except we weren't screwing with Al Qaeda there, we were screwing with iraqis, BIG difference)
I respect McCain enough to take HIS word on such matters, even though I used to think it was all much ado about nothing.
Thanks Rush.
Define "real" torture for me then? Since I cant figure it out myself, but you clearly know what "real" torture, please enlighten the rest of the class.
...if we weren't at war.
But we are. So I'll have to go with McCain
Romney cannot be trusted, but seems like an okay guy. I think he'll be liked, however the general difference between Bill Clinton is that he has charisma and charm, whereas Romney's words are obviously measured.
Ed you did a great job writing this piece however. I'm pleased to see your reasoning. This is one endorsement for a differing candidate than my own that I can say - I respectfully disagree and the War on Terror means more to me.
In a one on one debate with Hillary, there is no differentiation after the Clinton campaign gets done... they are both senators with a long history and spin will blur anything else that his so far elephantine campaign can produce.
Its not that I don't like him, though I think that his rather clumsy, desparate attacks in New Hampshire and Florida show that he was a fighter pilot, not a strategist or a leader, I just don't see him as differentiating without massive vulnerabilities and at the end of the day I still don't think he is a compelling leader. I am not ready to jump on the Bodb Dole 2.0 yet, but I think he will be shot down again in a general election against an Obama in a very Dole - CLinton fashion and that he would be chewed up and spit out by the Clintons. Head to head polls are hypothetical, his performance has been less than stellar in a very chopped up race so far.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
Yes, let's vote according to what the left wing pollsters tell us.
I have a very sour taste for John McCain. I think he has flipped more than John Kerry on issues.
BT
Denver
Looking at Romney, I don't know what's in his heart. I always think I'm being told what he wants me to believe, not what he really believes. And that bothers me.
And turning around a figure staking tournament will mean nothing when Iran tests a nuke or Musharaff is assassinated. At times like those, I want John McCain, not someone who said he'd call the State Department on foreign policy.
Final point: if Romney's the nominee, the GOP gets creamed. Against Obama, Democrat inexperience wins over Republican inexperience -- like Jimmy Carter, Romney is a one-term governor. And against Hillary, he's already behind. Is there even one poll that showed he would have won reelection in Massachusetts? Why not? And why then presume he is electable?
the Repub party has a small chance of winning in November and it's only with McCain they stand any chance to all.
and that's only if McCain goes up against HRC. She'll beat Romney and fairly easily.
Obama will cream both of them (sorry, but it's true)
If Obama is smart (and he is) he'll pick Jim Webb as VP. Which of the usual Republican chickenhawks will accuse Webb of being soft on national security?
even McCain, who's no chickenhawk won't win that argument. Webb is a pit bull and I've seen him consistently kneecap republican opponents on several "debates" on tv (notably on Meet the Press)
if I were a Demoratic strategist I'd be licking my chops at the prospect of facing Willard. It would also be delicious payback for them to be able to use the Kerry Flip Flop strategy to great effect back on the empty suit Wilard (and the examples of shameless pandering are SO many)
While I disagree with your choice, since I am backing Mayor Giuliani, I not only respect your tone, but your commitment to support the eventual nominee. I think Rudy, McCain, Romney and Thompson are all fine men, and have promised to back whoever wins.
I just hope we all quickly coalesce and come together. Ronald Reagan's 11th commandment wins election. Intraparty warfare elects liberals.
Respectfully,
eric aka the Tygrrrr Express
One is national security. Though the economy is the flavor du jour, the Democrats have a substantial natural edge going into this election, and only a candidate who is persuasive on security and has a track record has a chance. The national general election matchups verify this.
Second is authenticity. It is indicative (admittedly not dispositive) that Romney performed worst in Iowa and New Hampshire where so many of the voters had the opportunity for personal interaction with the candidates. Also indicative is the obvious personal animosity betfween him and the other candidates.
I like Romney and would support him, but he'd be a dead nominee walking. He'd get hammered by the anti-religious left, the anti-corporate left, and he doesnt have the credentials to stand up to them. He's the Republican version of John Kerry, with no clear positions aside from "leadership". Great... no one wants someone promising leadership, they want someone who is respected and has the stature to run as president.
He sure put all that experience to very good use with his "judgments" (and here I use the word loosely) vis a vis Iraq, didn't he?
but then those strategic assumptions were also the responsibility of Rumsfeld and his idiotic underlings such as Wolfowitz and Feith.
the American electorate is far more shallow than you think.
I don't think McCain is misrepresenting Romney's position on time tables for pulling out of Iraq. I turned 18 just as the Vietnam war was winding down, and I remember statements that were very much like Romney's statement about Iraq. Back then, Nixon was not trying to win the war, he was trying to put a good face on losing. He wanted to "declare victory and go home", even though he knew that the South Vietnamese would probably be over run and suffer greatly.
Nixon had a secret timetable for withdrawal, so to speak. By 1972 or 73 it was pretty much common knowledge that we were going to get out eventually, and all that the Communists had to do was outlast us. Not telling them when we were leaving did not prevent the debacle that followed.
By talking about his secret benchmarks and timetable in public, Romney was talking like a loser. Or, if you prefer, he was talking like a businessman who had decided he had already lost and was looking to cut his losses and bail out. He sounded just like Nixon sounded before Nixon introduced the United States to its most humiliating defeat in history, from which we would take years to recover. This is not the kind of man I want in the White House ever again. Certainly, the Republican Party should never nominate him.
Like everyone else here, I can think of a number of reasons to worry about McCain. But I am confident of one thing at least. McCain is not ready to lose this war while trying to fool the American people into thinking it's okay. It didn't work when Nixon tried it, and it won't work for Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney is the LEAST experienced candidate on either side. An undistinguished, do-nothing one-term governor.
His business experience does not look good. It's not like he built a business that hired people and produced anything. He did leveraged buyouts-borrowed money to buy companies, chop them up and sell off th pieces, hopefully for enough to repay the loan and turn a profit. It has nothing to do with government, unless you think an LBO of the U.S. to China is in order. I guess you're a Bush supporter -- that does seem to be his economic and foreign policy in a nutshell.
He's done this with several companies, Staples perhaps being the most well known.
But he's certainly been involved on the "inefficiency" side of the business enough to make his empty promises to Michigan autoworkers expose his pandering for the lie that it is.
btw Bush sounds great tonight, he actually sounds literate.. saying lots of great things.
too bad he's found fiscal discipline and responsibility in the very LAST year of his Presidency.
please...
a proven Governor?
a proven CEO in the private sector?
vs. a youthful first time Senator?
mmm...
that is a race Republicans would favor...
Romney will stack up well against Hillary or Obama.
Sure, Obama would be preferred only because he seems to have some class, as the Clintons are as unethical as it gets.
But Mr. Romney will do just fine...
Yeah, just like the sitting president and victor in the Gulf War stacked up well against a corrupt, womanizing, governor from AK?
Or the venerable, war hero, Senate Majority Leader of the 1994 Revolution against the embattled incumbent?
Politics is personality and if you havent heard Obama speak I suggest you go do that and try again.
even more amusing...
politics is merely personality ???
oh my...
McCain is jaded, bitter, angry, and seems to be engaging in deceit in Florida.
Yeah, that's a real winner...
Liberals are big on McCain, the NY Times is a prime example...
it is no wonder why they want McCain...
and why they fear Romney...
and why they fear Romney..."
They fear Romney only when he gets near MLK rallies and starts talking about
"bling" and "whe let the dogs out".
Classy guy, mine may be bitter but at least he isnt completely inept when not around white people. You think this guy will beat Obama?
I have a diffferent criteria for you. Any president has moments of extreme trial during their term. Do you think that Romney, who couldn't tell the truth to Michigan voters and ran around promising them massive government aid to bring back the 1970s or who got caught in a lie and tried to parse the meaning of the word "saw" over the MLK debacle could stand up to a crisis where an American city might be incinerated by a nuclear Iran? No way.
Running a business is great, but it's not being the Commander in Chief. His term in Massachusetts was indifferent at best and his state performed well below the average during his administration.
I'm voting for McCain because you know he can hold up under fire, whether that be torture by the North Vietnamese or constant demagoguery by bloated gasbags like Rush and Hewitt.
McCain starts to cry when Romney uses his own record against him. You would think that after enduring torture in VIetnam McCain would have a thicker skin. I am in the military and i am comfortable electing someone with little foreign policy experience. Hell Bush had 8 years and we are still here. Reagan defeated the SOviets with hollywood experience and some time as governor of Ca so Romney should do just fine.
So ... us Republicans are supposed to be looking for a candidate who'll flip off conservatives ....
'kay.
My real point is that Romney has yet to stand up to anyone. As far as I can tell, he cannot tell the public uncomfortable truths.
ktcat, another Democrat pretending to support McCain?
Now that it is surfacing on the Repulican right wing, true Conservatives have to take a stand. America will not be taken over by a Mormon cult that has always had secret designs on America. Its not gonna happen, Captain; words from the Major.
As a conservative and a Catholic, I call on everyone to nip the religious bigotry in the bud. IT doesn't look good on anybody.
Watch out Maj Bill, and check under your bed at night, there are evil Mormon cultist who are out there, waiting, watching, plotting.... (play ominous music).
Oh, and sorry about the "unverified" post,
Evan
Your post reveals you to be an anti-Mormon shill with constant use of the cult word. Calling Mormonism a cult doesn't make it so. Did you not read his speech? What part of Article 6 do you not understand? Finally - who'se your alternative so we can debates the merits or otherwise of your preferred candidate vs Romney.
By the way, you might read the Captain's entire article, since he has indicated he will be caucusing for Romney, so he apparently has worked through the issues of Romney's religion.
"Maj Bill", the person to whose post you are responding, apparently hasn't. I haven't either (I spent some time as a child in Utah so I know the dark side), and Romney has yet to answer to my reservations about insularity and racism which I personally encountered and which I haven't found proof (other than in his speeches) that Romney disavows.
If I had that proof that Romney was noninsular and non-racist, I'd feel better about him. For that, I need data -- what was Romney's hiring profile during his tenures at Bain Capital and the Salt Lake City Olympics, the two venues over which he would have exerted considerable influence with respect to hiring?